The RB and Preher Show
Just a couple of guys hanging out, talking fantasy football, and taking their keeper and dynasty leagues way too seriously. Each week, Robert Brookman and Matt Preher (yeah, like "prayer") break down the drama, trades, matchups, and waiver wire wins from their own leagues—and probably roast a league mate or two along the way. If you love fantasy, friendship, and the kind of banter only long-time league rivals can bring, you just found your new favorite podcast. Wise listeners welcome.
The RB and Preher Show
Matt and Robert talk AFC teams
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This week we go division by division through the entire AFC — North, South, East, and West — breaking down every coaching change, big free agency move, and Vegas win total shift heading into 2026. From Baltimore firing John Harbaugh and immediately poaching Trey Hendrickson off the rival Bengals, to the stunning Sean McDermott firing in Buffalo, to Kevin Stefanski and Todd Monken swapping spots between Cleveland and Atlanta — the coaching carousel this offseason has been relentless, and we cover it all.
This is the RB and prayer show. Just a couple of guys hanging out and talking fantasy football. Now, here are your hosts, Robert and Matt.
SPEAKER_01All right, welcome in. It is Sunday, July 19th. I'm Robert along with Matt as always. Matt, it's been a little while. We uh haven't chatted in a bit since the offseason and drafting and all that stuff. What have you been up to these days, fantasy-wise?
SPEAKER_02Um, more drafting, just like you. I mean, it it feels like, I mean, I've pulled you into a couple leagues, but it feels like I like I went out, I got super high basically on, yeah, basically high on drafting. High on drafting. That that could be our our first like short. No, I'm gonna cut that.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna cut that first part.
SPEAKER_02Uh, it's fine. Keep it in. Um, I I just I mean, I don't know. This this season, probably more so than the last few. I got just really into wanting to be in some leagues. And so, yes, I got you into, sorry, one. You're correct. I did one league uh where we picked up some orphans in the same league, which was I think it's gonna be really interesting and it's pretty cool. Um, and then I did another league as well that was a free league with just some guys online. Uh that's a dynasty as well that had a startup. So uh we'll see how that goes. Um, but so yeah, I've just been just kind of knee deep in it, and now it's all prepped for the keeper league. So yeah, it's just it's been slow, I guess relatively slow NFL news-wise over the last like month, but it has not been slow for me, fantasy-wise.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, fair. The NFL news-wise feels like it's gonna kick up here in about what two weeks. Training camps are gonna start opening up and running, and we're gonna start getting all kinds of stuff.
SPEAKER_02And like who's the favorite injuries, like all that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I am in the same boat. I'm just waiting for the keeper league keepers to get set. I think we still have a couple of teams that have that uh hanging out over their head, and we set a late day in the summer to allow folks to decide on their keepers. So I believe they've gotten until the middle of August at this point. So makes it hard to mock draft, but it is what it is. So but it feels good. I was thinking about I was thinking about this when uh when I was looking at our uh recording starting up tonight, just that uh that the the boys are back.
SPEAKER_02The boys are back in town, the boys are back in town, back, right?
SPEAKER_01The boys are back. I like it. That is a good one. I that's an underrated, underrated.
SPEAKER_02Appropriate for sure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. All right. So tonight we're gonna be talking about AFC teams, uh, AFC changes, fantasy outlooks for players in the AFC. Uh, and then next week we'll jump into the NFC. We'll go division by division, talk about how teams fared last year, uh, what were their big uh headlines, as well as what personnel shakeup they had going on, and kind of what are your expectations? What are your and my expectations for the division, for the teams, for the players on those teams. So, with that, we're gonna start in the AFC North. Uh, the AFC North last year, we'll start with the Baltimore Ravens. So 2025, Lamar has injury after injury, battles them throughout the year. The the Ravens end up the season eight and nine, miss the playoffs. And think about kind of where they are at this point in the year. There, there's been a lot of a lot of shakeups in Baltimore, right? John Harbaugh, now 18 seasons later, uh is finally done. He is moved on. They hired Jesse Minter from the Chargers. Uh there was, I don't know, I I kind of didn't remember this until I started looking up the notes for for this conversation. Max Crosby for like a hot second was gonna be a Baltimore Raven, and then he wasn't.
SPEAKER_02That's true. Well, no, he he was, he was, and then he failed the the physical in airflow today.
SPEAKER_01Right, right. So he fails the physical, but then they bring in Trey Hendrickson from the uh from the Bengals. Um you look at the team last year. Derrick Henry had his almost 1,600 yards, 16 touchdowns, Lamar had a down year just because of the injuries. Zay Flowers, I believe, was wide receiver 12. So this year, Vegas has uh them with an 11.5 uh win total is the odds right now, and their Super Bowl odds are between 9 and 10 percent. Um, so we've got we've got the Baltimore Ravens who, on offense, not a whole lot changes. They lose, uh, they lose uh they lose their backup running back, but Derek Henry's still there, Lamar's still there, Zay Flower's still there, bring in Elijah Surratt, bring in some other guys. Uh the Baltimore Ravens are an interesting one for me. I personally, as I look at them, you know, Derrick Henry's now almost 32 and a half years old. So who knows how long that'll keep going on, but it feels like at least another year.
SPEAKER_02Uh and I think that's he's man, he's gonna be the Tom Brady of running backs. He's gonna be playing until he's like 45.
SPEAKER_01It feels that way, right? Um, so you've got him. I think Lamar's in for a big bounce back. I don't expect Zay Flowers to do more, but I do think with some of the other pieces that they brought in, maybe even addition by subtraction with losing Isaiah likely. Um, but you know, things get more focused on Zay Flowers, on Mark Andrews, on Surratt, if you want to say he's the number two or three or whoever it may be. So what are your thoughts on the Ravens quickly?
SPEAKER_02I mean, to me, the Ravens are the it's I I feel like this division probably more so than I mean, probably a lot, probably maybe any division in the entire NFL, but definitely the AFC, is it's this is all about health in this division. And the Ravens are one of those the big reasons why. It's Lamar's health, it's Derrick Henry's health. Like when is that when is he actually gonna hit that cliff? When's he gonna fall off? You know, because it's just he's a freak of nature in a good way, obviously, but at the same time, the cliff comes for everybody, especially running backs, and it's just when is that gonna happen? And so I I like the Ravens. Uh, you know, I I I took Lamar in a super flex league um as my QB2, believe it or not, in that league. Um, and so I'm pretty excited about it. I do think like, I don't know, everything they talk about, they're you know, they're really excited about this new offense. You know, who knows? Still at this point, it's just kind of hyperbole offseason type of talk. Um, I I do think the offense will be more modern. Um, and hopefully, but I I don't know. I'm I'm interested to see how you know this new OC will use a QB like Lamar. Because you don't you don't see that you don't you don't have a Lamar anywhere else really in the league except maybe Washington. Um, but it's it you know it's it's just not common. So I'm really excited to see what can they do, maybe make it a little bit more modern, you know, and are they how are they gonna handle Henry? Are they gonna start you know putting him on um I won't say a snap count, so to speak, but you know, maybe um just you know just trying to limit that and and in prep for the playoffs because they were a I mean I think it's goes without saying they were a massive disappointment last season, mostly because of injuries, but just everything. And so I know yeah, you were talking about Zay Flowers. Like, I I agree. Like, I think I think Munkin really knew what to do to get the most out of Zay Flowers. So I I think that this year is gonna be interesting to see can he actually be a wide receiver one? Um, but I I don't know. Like, what do you think? What do you what do you think Flowers is gonna end up as? Like, is he gonna be a wide receiver one, or do you think it's gonna be more like the wide receiver two or three?
SPEAKER_01No, I think he's more of a two than anything. That's like best case scenario, and I I expect him to play well enough to be able to get to best case scenario. Again, they lose some pieces, so I think it uh targets consolidate around a couple of guys there, but I I don't I don't think he's wide receiver 12. I think last year was a down year, and he ends up as 12 because uh other guys that we expect to be there don't perform the way we expect them to. And you know, speaking of guys that you you said two things that kind of lead me into my next team in the AFC North, one being injury, and two being guys that did not perform as we expected them to do. So the next team we'll talk about is the Cincinnati Bengals. Uh so Burrow misses nine games last year, and they bring in uh uh Joe Flacco to to lead that team. And Joe Flacco actually looks like a very competent quarterback.
SPEAKER_02Um he kept them fantasy relevant.
SPEAKER_01Yes, he kept them afloat at the very least. They lose Trey Hendrickson. We just talked about that, but they trade for Dexter Lawrence, they sign Boye Maffey and Jonathan Allen. So they're rebuilding their defensive line, uh, is what it looks like in in the offseason. Um Burrow looks healthy. Uh, we we come back and kind of look at the top names. You obviously Jamar Chase is going to be at the top of most boards. Chase Brown, who had a very slow. If you think back to the beginning of 2025, Chase Brown was like a candidate to get cut by a lot of fantasy teams that were like, I just I don't know what's going on here. He was very close to the cut line. And then by the time we get to the back half of the season, he he basically wins you championships in the last what four or five weeks of the year. So we've got Chase Brown. They don't bring in any other running backs, still his room. Uh T. Higgins had a very good year uh last year, but but it was a very T. Higgins-y year, right? Not a whole lot of yardage, a lot of touchdowns, not something that necessarily is replicable. Um going into this year, they're a nine and a half win total team, is is what Vegas has them as. They have the third easiest schedule in the NFL, although their Super Bowl odds are still pretty low. Um, so looking at the Cincinnati Bengals, I think, you know, the name of the game for the Bengals is does Joe Burrow stay healthy? If he stays healthy, they're a great team, uh they're rebuilding their defense, they're doing the right things. If he doesn't, then we've seen this movie before.
SPEAKER_02Um, I'm I'm right there. I mean, I think that they I'm still really interested to see what they do on defense. They, you know, they lost Trey Hendrickson, but um we you know we forgot to mention they did trade for and got Dexter Lawrence from the New York Giants in the offseason. That was I mean, that's really big because I think Dexter Lawrence is basically the best defensive tackle in the game, um, you know, which not necessarily a big position in fantasy for IDP, but um like I think that he's gonna be, I think he's gonna be much better for them and impact their defense more than Hendrickson did. I still feel like they don't have any really anything else on that defense. Um, because like well, honestly, when you said nine and a half, I was thinking that sounds really low if you expect Burrow to be healthy all year, but then you remember how bad that defense. Like they're the only other defense that kind of gave Dallas a run for its money and being like the worst defense in NFL history last season, was it was just Cincinnati. And so, but yeah, I mean it this team I mean, like most teams, but this team especially, they they go as uh as Burrow goes. And I think it it's I remember I think it was Ursay who who made the quote, maybe, or I can't remember who it was, but it was back when Manning was with the Colts, and he was asked about uh them like not having a great backup quarterback. And his his response, which is basically like, look, if if if Peyton goes down, we're screwed anyways, so who cares? And because they they basically just did not care about their backup quarterback, and that's kind of how Cincinnati feels.
SPEAKER_01Yep. Speaking of who cares about their not only their backup, but their first ring quarterback, we've got the Cleveland Browns discussion. Uh Cleveland was 5-12 last year. If you're surprised that they won five games, join the club. Uh Steph, Kevin Savansi is on after six seasons there. Um, he's with Atlanta now. They hired Tom Monkin from the Ravens, who you were just talking about. Uh right now, as far as personality goes, um, it looks like it's an open. I don't know. It it kind of depends on how you want to read the headlines of how open or not open is the quarterback competition between Watson and Shador. If you want to throw Dylan Gabriel into that conversation, I kind of it's just a two-man race right now. I think it is too, I think they are going to try to figure out what to do with Talon Green. Um, he is on the roster, and I'll say one thing you know, Todd Monkin coming from running the offense in Baltimore for a very long time, Talon Green does a lot of similar things to Lamar Jackson. I'm not saying he's not he's on that level, not at all. But if somebody knew how to take advantage of a player like that, I do think that would be very uh it's an interesting spot. Um they bring in a lot of rookies, right? Casey Concepcion is now a brown. Uh, they also bring in Denzel Boston to compliment Gwen Sean, who had a really good year right up until his leg exploded. Harold Fannon Jr. kind of shows up out of out of a little bit out of the blue. Um, and and Shador, as terrible as a year that they had last year, Shador is a pro bowler, so there's that. Um he's Pro Bowler like on his Wikipedia page, basically.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's right. That's all of it.
SPEAKER_01It's on his LinkedIn that he's a pro bowler. Uh they're projected to win six and a half games this year, so that's obviously a step in the right direction. And I think a lot of the things, so I guess the the other big personnel change that we did I didn't mention, so defensively, right? Miles Garrett is now gone um after many record-breaking seasons, and Jared Verse is now a uh a Cleveland Brown. Uh so defense gets younger, probably takes a step backwards. I think it's hard not to take a step backwards when when he leaves. But at the same time, I think there's a lot of positivity around the moves that the Browns are making, not so much for 2026, but for the general future of this franchise that's been a laughing stock for a really long time. So I'm curious. I actually think the Browns could be better than than people expect this coming year. What are your thoughts?
SPEAKER_02No, I I agree. I I actually have there's a few things that I really like, especially fantasy-wise. I'm really excited about KC Conception. Um, and even so far, all the reports that have come out um sound really, really good. Again, you don't really know what to to truly believe at the at this stage, um, but they are pumping him hard. And I a lot of the stuff that people they compared him to uh Zay Flowers, right? Um what are you laughing about? They're pumping him hard. Pumping him hard. That's about it. Perfect drive. Uh but they they are like going over the top comparing him to Zay Flowers. And I think that was even happening pre-draft, right? Like it's just similar styles, similar ways that they're gonna planning to use him now. Uh, and then of course with the the Todd Muncan connection. So I'm I'm really excited about him. Um, and then I love uh Judkins. I think that Judkins will be like I think he's underrated right now. I forget where exactly he's being drafted. He's probably like back teens. Um, I'm sure you'll look it up. But he is, I I really like him. Yeah, it's he's got to bounce back from a nasty injury, but by by all accounts so far, he seems to be right on schedule and everything seems to be going well. He seems to be on track to start in week one, and he is the clear cut number one in that offense. Um, you know, I mean, they still might ease him back a little bit, but I'm pretty excited about him. Um, and then you know, you got to mention Jerry Judy, he's getting older, but he I I think that he'll start as the wide receiver too, but I do think that Boston will overtake him. Um, and then they got that haul for Miles Garrett. Like, I there's a lot of things that are helping Cleveland be on the up and up, but yeah, it's the NFL. It all comes down to your quarterback. And it's they have one of the not the worst, but they have just a really ugly situation. Um, I think that they are going to be, I agree with you. I think they're gonna be better than people think. I think they're going to be just good enough to you know throw a couple of haymakers, make some teams like think and struggle, um, but they're gonna be and but they're not gonna be good enough to really do anything. Um, but they're probably gonna be too good to win the Arch Manning sweepstakes. Um and by well, by two other teams that we'll talk about on this list tonight. Um but I I I don't know, like what's their do you know what their over-under is for the season? Um something like four and a half would be my guess.
SPEAKER_01Well, I thought I'm pretty sure their their projected win total is six and a half.
SPEAKER_02Oh, is it really? Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So uh and Quinchon Judkins is ADP number 55. Uh no, I'm typing in the wrong thing. Yes, he is ADP currently is 55.
SPEAKER_02Do you know what running back that is?
SPEAKER_01You're asking me too many questions. I don't I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Um the producer, come on, man.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, I know, right? Um where's our intern? Let's see. He looks like Jeffrey. He looks probably about running back. Well, so his rankings last year, he was running back 26. He looks to be pretty close to that, if I'm just kind of eyeballing things. So uh he might be a little bit ahead of that this year. Right now, in Sleeper, uh, if you look at just running back ADPs, he goes directly behind Javante, Travis Etienne, or Achan, Trevion, Cam Scattaboo goes directly in front of him. Actually, there's kind of a gap between Scataboo at 40 48 and Judkins at 55. And then after Judkins, you get David Montgomery, you get Bichal Tutin, you get DeAndre Swift, RJ Harvey, and Jalen Moore. So yeah, I I like him at his price as well, just like you're saying. Um so yes, I'm in on Judkins. I think to your point, they're probably winning too many games to be in on Arch, but there's also a lot of quarterbacks next year. So I still I don't think it's the worst thing for them at this point. But yeah, the team that I think is probably the most interesting in the AFC North is the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mike Tomlin. I I think Mike Tomlin leaving after 19 years is right, and that is a big deal.
SPEAKER_02It'll be interesting to see they'll actually have a decent offense for for the first time in 15 years.
SPEAKER_01But they're a consistent playoff team. Um, you know, they lost to Houston in the wild card last year, but they won the division. Um, so I what was their record?
SPEAKER_02Their record was like what?
SPEAKER_01It was a nine and eight, wasn't it? Or there's ten and six. 10 and 6. Yeah. So Rodgers comes back. You want to tell me they're gonna have a great offense with what is he, 45 years old at this point? Like Aaron Rodgers is back for his last year. Mike McCarthy, are they I they're trying to relive their Green Bay glory days? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02But um yeah, yeah, like I don't think I I think I was more like talking about how bad the offense was under Tomlin. Because it just, I mean, it wasn't like historically bad or anything like that, but it it was old school, it was very slow, it was very like and I just think seeing McCarthy even at with Dallas, like, yeah, Dak's better at this stage than Rogers is, but Rogers is smart, like I think McCarthy will know what to do with him um to help him kind of get out of or like to help them move the chains and get the ball down there, and they're still gonna have a decent defense. Um, yeah, agree.
SPEAKER_01But I didn't mean that I think they're gonna be interesting as then they're gonna win the division. I I'm more saying I think they're gonna be interesting because I think they're the team that's gonna look the most different year over year. Um, you know, not just in the personnel, like obviously Michael Pittman comes in on the offense. Um, they draft Jeremy Bernard. Um, you know, that they've got some new guys who are gonna be on the field on the offensive side of the ball, and a different play caller now. We still have Jalen Warren, we've got Rico Dowdle who comes in on the offensive side too. So we've kind of got a little bit of the two headed mortar monster still, even though Caleb Johnson is nowhere to be found, and sounds like that's just he's done at this point to me. Um, so we've got Rogers, got Dowdle, got Warren. Now we have DK coming. Off of a pretty down a mediocre year, right? 850 and 6. Uh Michael Pittman comes over from the Colts. Maybe Michael Pittman, he's interesting to me because I think Rodgers at 45 is not somebody who's going to be throwing the ball down the field outside the numbers to DK a whole lot. So I think Pittman actually is the one that benefits from the generalized system.
SPEAKER_02I think Pittman is a good shot at being the wide receiver one on this team, fantasy point-wise. Like he won't be their actual number one on the on the depth chart, but fantasy point just because, yeah, he's probably going to play out of the slot a lot or run those routes, and he's not going to be the deep ball that that DK needs. Um that Rodgers can't really throw anymore.
SPEAKER_01Have you heard the stat about like the the vacated target number coming out of Pittsburgh this year? How many vacated targets they have uh from last year that that have left the team? And who it's who it's attributable to? They have an extremely high vacated target number. Can you take a wild guess at who left that team and is driving that number?
SPEAKER_02Okay, so wait a second.
SPEAKER_01So vacated target. That are now that that person has left the team. Therefore, if Aaron Rodgers had 500 dropbacks and passing attempts, oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So often, I see what you're saying. Yeah, it's it's Kenny Gangwill.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_02So that's why I love me some gangwill down in Tampa now, but that's for another episode.
SPEAKER_01That's for another episode. That's right. All right, so looking back at the FC North, who's your pick to win the division this year?
SPEAKER_02This is tough. Um I I do think that if we're gonna assume health, I think I've gotta go with Cincinnati.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_02Personally, I mean like it's it's either Cincinnati or Baltimore. And I just like I trust.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I think I'd take Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cleveland. Um, I just the defense. The defense for the the no yeah for the uh Bengals is is what pushes it over the line for me. So all right, moving on to the AFC South. Um, we'll pick up the pace a little bit. So we've got the Houston Texans. Last year they win 12 games, started 0-3. They get uh Davis uh Davis Mills to come in. Did they not? Am I not? Am I going crazy? Uh you're giving me looks like I'm going crazy.
SPEAKER_02Uh I thought you were trying to say, I thought you were gonna say Davis Montgomery.
SPEAKER_01No, and I was gonna say David might Davis Mills. No, I know I'm with you. I'm with you wins his couple of games, and then all of a sudden CJ Stroud figures out that he can also win a football game. Um so they continue to uh overhaul their offensive line. They uh bring in David Montgomery from uh the uh Detroit Lions. They also bring in Reed Blankenship from the Philadelphia Eagles, which is an interesting uh player to me in IVP type leagues. Um, you know, the the defense still looks incredible. I think uh Nico had a a a good year last year. Um outside of that, they kind of they brought in Joe Mixon last year to try to do what I think they're gonna end up trying to do with David Montgomery this year, except David Montgomery is a little bit younger and a better player at this point in his career than Joe Mixon was last year. That being said, I think the the the TLDR on the Houston Texans to me is holy cow, the playoffs were so bad for CJ Stroud. How many interceptions can this guy throw? And realistically, like how long is his leash? Because it cannot be that much.
SPEAKER_02I think isn't he up for isn't he up for right now or this offseason for the fifth year option? And the team.
SPEAKER_01I think you're right, because it's him and Bryce Young are the same year, and I'm pretty sure that's Bryce Young's up for that too.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and they're like so far, they're not picking it up because they're waiting to see what's going on, which I would blame him. I mean, it's I mean, quarterbacks are hard to come by, and he did at least have it, but golly, like could you imagine like Houston to me is running away with the AFC if they had a top 15 quarterback in the league? Because that defense is so good, and if you just give them like an average quarterback, Jacoby Brissett joins the Houston.
SPEAKER_01I mean, why though? Like that he they're gonna be one of those teams going after a top-tier quarterback. So let him come over there. I bet he'd I I bet he would have a better outcome with this Texans team than CJ Stroud.
SPEAKER_02For sure. No, I know for sure. I'm just trying to think, like, if you give them like I'm trying to think of like who's an who's who's a quarterback that I think of would just be kind of like just an average quarterback. Daniel Jones. Yeah, a Daniel Jones, a boy's Tyler next year. Tyler. Like those would be those would be massive upgrades to CJ Stroud. You give them that defense to where they don't have like you just need someone who just doesn't suck. And CJ Stroud, ever since his rookie season, has sucked. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Like I think the playoff thing from last year was just that like it's the it's the the game that everybody watches, so everybody sees it, and it was so unbelievably bad. Just they're winning games when he's throwing three and four interceptions, and they're winning them by small margins, but when you throw four interceptions and you're still able to win a playoff game, like man, that's something else. So I I think Nico's in a good position this year. I like David Montgomery. I also still like um oh, what's the backup rookie? Uh Woody Marks. Woody Marks, I still think has a role on this team. Uh they have a lot, they have a lot of wide receiver twos on the depth chart, not necessarily fantasy wide receiver twos. I would say yeah, most of everybody after Nico to me is probably like a wide receiver four or five at best.
SPEAKER_02Like, yeah, I'm I'm trying in my fantasy drafts, I'm trying to get a little bit of either Higgins or Noel. Um, you know, just like down the roster, bench stash, taxi squad stash, something like that. Um, you know, it's not gonna cost you anything in terms of you know your draft capital. And so, because I do think that one of those guys is going to start breaking out. I just I don't know who it's gonna be. Um, you know, and I I think that eventually at this point that's true, but golly man. But like it speaking of Tank Dell, like you know, who knows? If he comes back, he might like the the splits but of how CJ Stroud is with Tank Dell versus without Tank Dell, it's ridiculous. So I I mean I don't think I don't know with Tank Dell, I can't trust with that injury him coming back and being anything other than a shell of himself, at least this season. Um, so I'm not all in on him or Stroud or anything. But if he comes back and he can do 60, 70 percent of what he used to be, it could actually be a pretty big boon for that offense in Stroud. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yep. The Texans are uh are a fun one to talk about. Then we've got the Indianapolis Colts who finished last year eight and nine. They started the season eight and two, then lost their lost eight of their final nine games, went on a seven-game losing streak. They became the first team in NFL history to start eight and two and finish with a losing record. Uh Daniel Jones breaks his fibula, uh, torn Achilles, and it kind of just all falls apart, right? Um Daniel Jones this year signs an extension despite everything else uh that that happened.
SPEAKER_02Um I mean he looked he looked good before he went down with that injury. He did, you know, it just goes to show you that the Giants suck and they ruin everything.
unknownYep.
SPEAKER_01And they're gonna ruin some other players here in a little bit for us. Um so Jonathan Taylor leads the NFL with 323 uh rushing attempts, almost 1,600 yards, 18 touchdowns. Tyler Warren looks like a beast. I really like Tyler Warren again this year. Uh our biggest personnel, I think our biggest personnel change for the Colts arguably is Michael Pittman to the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think it's a massive change. Yeah. What's that? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02No, I think it's a massive change for the Colts guys, which Yep.
SPEAKER_01Alec Pierce gets a massive contract this offseason. Josh Downs has kind of always been that guy that's like, well, maybe next year he'll take that step forward. And I mean, I don't want to keep saying it, but at the same point, it kind of looks like they're opening some space up for him to do something here. So um so he's an interesting name as well. Uh, I guess here's here's your question is of the of the pass catchers in Indianapolis and at their current ADP, since you're doing so many drafts, who's the one you like the most?
SPEAKER_02I mean, at their current ADP, I if I'm in a tight end premium league, I would say Tyler Warren. Because he I do think that he he's getting drafted as really tight end four right now. And it's like round five, round six, uh, because people do kind of perceive him as a drop-off from Colston Loveland. And I love Colston Loveland. I do like him more than Tyler Warren, but as a player, but I don't think it's that massive of a drop-off because people are drafting Loveland in like round three and then Warren in round six. Like that's huge. Um, and I think that the point differential is not gonna be that far off. In fact, Warren has potential to be, I don't really know if I want to say tight end one with uh another guy we're gonna talk about. Uh, but uh I think he could definitely work his way up to tight end two, just depending on if he has a good season. So if I'm in tight end premium, I would I would definitely say Warren. But if we're just talking the wide receivers, I I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm gonna say Alec Pierce. I know that he's going earlier than Josh Downs. Um, I I feel like he still is not going until like round 14, 15, maybe. Maybe I'm misremembering. Do you have his ADP? Do you have though their two ADPs? Because the problem while you're looking that up, the problem that I had with Downs is we still he's still going to be wide receiver two, and he's he has so many injury concerns, he just he cannot stay healthy, and so that's what I worry about with him. But yo, do you have him?
SPEAKER_01Downs downs right now is 125th. That's his ADP. Alec Pierce is 83, so about 40 spots different or so. So what three rounds, three and a half rounds, something like that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I go. I still I still think that I would go Alec Pierce because they say this all the time in the NFL, money talks, and these teams do not invest that much money willy-nilly, um, especially at the wide receiver position. And so when they gave him that contract, that said to me that they were going to make him a focal point. And then they've even kind of come out and said that because they said that I like to me, the biggest issue with Pierce is he's never been a target guy, but they have basically said that they're planning to give him eight to nine targets a game. Like that's kind of the plan. Like, I think it's gonna be him at eight to nine, Tyler Warren probably like eight to ten, and then Josh Downs is gonna be third with like six to seven. And I think you'll have games where, of course, Downs is gonna have big plays and and be the highest scoring guy a week, you know, a week here and there. But I think overall it's uh it would be Alec Pierce for me if if I've already got the team basically saying we're gonna commit to giving him you know a good massive target share because we've paid him all this money. Um, and I liked him a lot last year, so I think I think you've got a chance. Yeah, I I that's who I would go with personally.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, I'm I'm the opposite of the wide receivers. I like Downs better at his cost. Alec Pierce, not you're right, the money does talk, but coming off the injury, that scares me away from him a bit more than even the money thing. I I would say tight end premium or not, actually, Talon Warren is the one I like in all of this. I like where his ADP is, regardless, because I do think he is the tier break that you talked about. Like you've got the top two guys, then you've got Colston and uh Loveland and Warren together, and together kind of in air quotes, but Warren is the end of that. And you know, if I can get Tyler Warren in round four or five, like I'm I'm gonna be really happy about that. Um, because I I do see him as one of those guys that can produce his way to I don't think he's number one, but I think he can get up to two just as easily. Um I think the way they want to use him, you know, with the the opportunities he had last year, and then with people walking out the door for that team this year, uh he is the pass catcher that I want uh in Indianapolis. Speaking of pass catchers you want and pass catchers you don't, the next team we want to talk about is the Jacksonville Jaguars, who, if you want to take your guess at who the best wide receiver is in that room, good luck. Uh they win 13 games, though, last year, and worst to first turnaround, right? They were 4-13 in 2024. They win 13 games last year. Liam Cohen looks like a genius. Trevor Lawrence is fifth in the MVP voting. Uh, Travis A. Chan is gone. Devin Lloyd uh is gone. Um, but the rest of the team uh is largely intact, unless I'm completely forgetting something. Um Trevor Lawrence had a great season: 4,000 yards, 29 touchdowns, uh plus nine rushing touchdowns. Um Jacoby Myers comes in in the middle of last year and looks like he's one of those guys that could be their number one wide receiver. You've got Brian Thomas, who had a terrible year after coming on as a rookie, but uh still finished the year with 700 yards. Byshal Tutan, uh, I think we've heard enough about him over the last two seasons that it's like, all right, I think everybody kind of sees the opportunity and what could come from him having a lead role there, and the doors open for it. So uh there's all the talk about Chris Rodriguez too. I guess if you want to throw that into their personnel changes, you can. But I don't think Chris Rodriguez is coming in to lead this team just because he and Liam Cohen happen to be at Kentucky at the same time, doesn't really matter to me all that much.
SPEAKER_02As the resident Kentucky fan on this podcast, like it's it's not like and I love Cohen and I love Chris Rodriguez, but Chris Rodriguez is not an RB1. It I think at worst case for Tootin' like Tootin might be the 1A, and then Chris Rodriguez would be like the one C. Like, I don't even think it's a 1A, 1B type of situation. Um, I do think like Rodriguez will get playing time for sure, especially once he's back healthy. And you know, he is a power back, he has a goal line and all that, but I just I don't think Rodriguez has the talent to be an RB1 of an NFL team. Or if he is, it's it actually, I think that that would mean more that Tootin has just been a massive bust. Um, like, but I don't think that they're going to choose Chris Charter. Like, I think there's a reason that they did not really try to get Achan uh back um and or get any like Walker get any of the other ones. They didn't do anything in the draft for running back. Like, I just I not like I don't I think it they I really like like Tutin a lot. I think that they um really like him and are confident in him. And I I feel like everyone's kind of down on him, like you said, because of the Chris Rodriguez thing, but it's Tutin had a pretty good year last season. Like he he came on, especially when the second half of the season when when HN was was hurt or out, like Tutin had some pretty good games, and so I feel like I don't know why everyone's that doubtful of him. Like, yeah, he may not be he's not gonna fight be like in like a top 10 RB and like you know the next RB1 great or first round pick or whatever um in our fantasy drafts, but I I don't get that.
SPEAKER_01He scored seven touchdowns total last year. He was 83 rushes for 307 yards and five touchdowns on the ground, 10 receptions for 80 yards and two touchdowns to the air. So, in a pretty small sample size um of meaningful work last year, like you said, he he did he did get some work and and did something with it. Um so kind of similar question to talking about the Colts here of the pass catchers in Jacksonville, who is the one you want at cost? And I I preempted myself. So Kobe Myers currently his ADP is is 87 and a half, so we'll call it 87. We've got Parker Washington, who is 89, and then you've got Brian Thomas, who is 70. He's right at 70. So you can take Brian Thomas as the first patch pass catcher going at 70. So round six.
SPEAKER_02Are you not gonna you don't want to throw Travis Hunter in there?
SPEAKER_01Uh I I can. I knew there was another name, and honestly, I was like, I can't even think of who it is. Travis Hunter is currently 160 on sleeper. So you get your choice of those four. Who do you want? And and honestly, like they're all within a cut, well, outside of Travis Hunter, if you want to group the other three, they're basically within a round of each other, 70 to the late 80s, you know. So you're talking about round six, seven, somewhere right in there.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I so when it comes to those four guys, I instantly throw out two of them. I don't want anything to do with Brian Thomas Jr., um, especially not as the first one on that. Like 70 is not terrible, but when I could get either Myers or uh Washington, you know, a round and a half, two rounds later, like that to me is a much better deal. Um, and then I also don't want anything to do with Travis Hunter. Maybe if I'm in an IDP league, but even then, like I think he'll be, I think he's gonna be one of those cases where he's gonna be a really good NFL player and he's gonna be very valuable to the Jaguars. Um, but I think I do think that they're I don't I mean, no matter what people say, I do think that they plan on playing him on defense. It's gonna be flip-flop from what it was last year before the injury. I I expect him to play defense like 70% of the time. And so I he'll probably have a couple big plays on offense, but I don't, I don't, they need him on defense. They their cornerback room is terrible and they need him. He'll be like their cornerback one, I think. Um, but I think if he played wide receiver full time, he is hands down their best wide receiver. But because of the other guys, they're not gonna do that. And so I would take, I mean, I'll take Parker Washington. Um, I do think he was uh, I do think he was Trevor Lawrence's favorite target. They seem to have a chemistry. Um, I believe I was reading some stuff that it seems to have continued this offseason. So like there's really no change there. And if you're telling me, you know, if I get him as the third one out of that group, I know there's not much of a difference between, you know, the last three, I guess, but I I still think it's all dart throws with these guys, but I'd still put I I would still prefer Washington over the other three.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I'm I'm actually I I'll go a little bit of a Zig versus your Zag there. Like the one I kind of have found myself drafting more than anybody else has been Brian Thomas.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I knew you were gonna say it. Like, I I I I just see it because I've seen it before. Yeah, I've seen it happen. He's been on my roster.
SPEAKER_02He's got the talent, and I'm like, he's the most talented for sure.
SPEAKER_01He is for sure. And and I don't hate his his draft cost is not so high that if I draft him there, I am tethered to him for the entire season, and there's nothing I can do about it, right? He's late enough in a draft where if it doesn't, if it's super clear after like three weeks that like he's the number three, he's getting half the playing time he used to, his targets have dipped, he's still got the yips, fill in the blank with whatever bad situation he might be in. That's a much easier drop for me than where he was two years ago when you had to take him in the first or second round. And it's like, well, you're not dropping that guy. He's gonna ride your bench, and that's gonna be taught and awful for the entire year because you can't do anything in that spot. He's in a spot now where I'm like, well, if he works, I think he works. I don't think there's a mediocre case for him, I guess is what I'm saying, where he's like kind of ho hum in the middle and he's not awesome, but he's also not not gonna completely take your team. I think he is one or the other. He's either got the yips and he's not getting the ball. And he's not on the field, or he's there and he's the number one and he's driving that wide receiver room. And I I like those types of players because in fantasy I know what to do with them, and I can I can make a choice really clearly. So the Jaguars are an interesting team.
SPEAKER_02I just don't I don't trust it, just seems like something's off between him and Trevor Lawrence. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he did just have the yips last season and he's got it figured out, but it just seems like they just and that does go back to their rookie, his rookie year too, is that they just seem to not have the connection that you need.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and maybe they trade him. Yeah, I don't know. I mean they they need to do something with their wide receiver room at this point.
SPEAKER_02So maybe he's the one name that's on the trade him this year, but I think I mean they might, I guess, halfway through the season, we see what happens, but like I just I don't see it. I think the time to trade him was in the offseason, or you're gonna wait till next offseason. Yeah. It just doesn't make any sense. No.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, fair enough. So then we get to speaking of rookie deals, the Tennessee Titans, led by Cam Ward in his rookie deal, three wins last year, pretty rocky start. They hire uh they bring in Robert Salah, bring in Brian Dable, uh to overhaul their coaching staff. They sign Wandale uh from the Giants. So, to your point, if the Giants are terrible for their players, maybe Wandale is like through the roof here. Um they draft Carnell Tate at number four overall to give to go with Cam Ward. So that obviously is going to be a really interesting uh kind of setup there. And really the team is getting built. Whatever you think of Cam Ward and his ceiling, they're building a team around him. Um Tony Pollard, older running back, he's had a thousand yards like five seasons in a row. He did it again last year, even after, even with as bad of a team as it was. Wanda had a really good season for the Giants last year. We'll see if he can carry it over with Carnell Tate, Cam Ward. Throws were 3,015 and 7, so not the worst line ever. Uh, they are projected to win six and a half games this year by Vegas. What are your thoughts or anything interesting about the Titans? Here's here's maybe a question for you. Who is the Titan you find yourself drafting most often? Regardless of position.
SPEAKER_02Well, I mean, the one that I want to draft the most often, I just haven't been able to draft him yet, is Tate. So the one that I end up drafting the most often is is is no is Cam Ward. Um, I it's Cam Ward. That is not who I thought you were gonna say. I know, which is because I was such a hater last season. I do, and I'm still not a hundred percent convinced, but I really I don't think Dayball is a is a great head coach, but I do think he's a really, really good um offensive coordinator, and I'm very intrigued. Like I really like Salah. I think he's actually a good head coach. Um, and I think if you pair him with a good offensive mind like Dayball can be, I think they have a chance at unlocking Cam Ward. Um, you know, and I'm hopeful that they'll just let my boy Levis walk because I love him and he needs just three interpasses right now. The wheel of Levis power minute. Speaking of Kentucky connections, we got Wandale back with Levis, and they were awesome when they had their season together at Kentucky. Um, but I I mean I would say I'm drafting Ward the most. Um, there's another guy that I actually am really excited about that I think I actually now that I think about it, I may have him on more teams than I have Ward. Super, super late. Like we're talking last couple round sleeper pick, Gunner Helm, their tight end. Yeah, because I think I actually think he showed some flashes last year. And but of course he was behind Chig, uh who's gone. And so I think that he's got an opportunity. Also, because I don't like anything else on that offense uh behind uh behind Tate. I think Helm has a decent chance of potentially becoming, um, I mean, with Wandale, you know, who knows? We'll see. But I just I'd like Helm as like a potential, and because the tight end position is just so crappy after the top five, that I'd think Helm has a potential shot at maybe making it into the back top of the 10, the back half of the top 10. So we'll see what happens. Um, I also I I think there's a better chance than not that Nicholas Singleton is the starting running back by the end of the season.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I don't know. What do you think about that? Um, I've taken a lot of Nick Singleton in basketball with that idea that that could come around. That said, uh, thinking about this question for myself, I have gotten Tate in a couple of leagues, actually. I got him in your league of boom, the the IVP everything bagel league that we have out there. He's actually my wide receiver three in that league, which I was very excited about for uh for to be in that position. So yeah, him, Garrett Wilson, and Justin Jefferson together. Uh I'm real excited about that core. Uh, the other player I have taken a lot of that I I don't love, but no, no, but it's similar. Um Pollard? Yeah, I've taken a lot of a lot of Tony Pollard. Oh and the reason for that RB zero player I've gone zero or hero RB a lot in a lot of drafts this summer, and Tony Pollard is just always there. He's like wide he's like running back 29, 30, something like that. But he's a starter, he's produced the last handful of seasons. I'm not drafting him thinking I've got four or five years of this left. I think I've got a year, maybe two max. But it's enough to get me through where I'm at right now. And I I think I think he likely holds on to the the primary spot there. I don't think if Nick Singleton does take over, I doubt it's completely. I think it'll probably be more of a timeshare. That's what his takeover would be a 1A1B thing, yeah. Would be a timeshare. I can see that. All right. So looking at the AFC South, then, give me your order, top to bottom. Who are you taking to win the division and top down?
SPEAKER_02Um, I'm gonna take Jacksonville to win it again. Um, I really like them. Um they were so good the second half of last year, and it just makes me think that Cohen and Lawrence and then they just figured something out. And I don't I don't worry about Indiana's uh health. Houston, we already talked about Stroud. I mean, I just I don't think you that defense, I do have Houston in a second. Um could because of that defense, and so I've got it Jacksonville, Houston, Indianapolis, and then Tennessee.
SPEAKER_01Okay. I'm going Houston, Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Tennessee myself.
SPEAKER_02All right. So I we need to make these board bets. Like, at least for if we keep this up, we need to have this because we both keep just flip-flopping our one and two so far.
SPEAKER_01There you go. All right, AFC East. We'll run through this one. We've got the Buffalo Bills 12 and 5. Yeah, how are we on time right now? Oh, terrible. We're terrible on time. Uh, we've got the Buffalo Bills, Sean McDermott's out. They trade for DJ Moore. Uh, you know, the McDermott's out, but they just raised their uh offensive coordinator up to the head coaching position. James Cook looks like a beast last year. Uh Josh Allen does Josh Allen things, and really outside of that, their pass catchers kind of underwhelmed, right? Khalil Shakir, I think, was their actually their leading wide receiver. Uh right now, they have one of the best Super Bowl odds for 2026. They are projected for 10 and a half wins um this year. So um, yeah, Buffalo Bills. It feels like more of the same to me. Like, unless unless you have a strong opinion one way or the other on DJ Moore.
SPEAKER_02No, the only thing I I do think that DJ Moore will be a pretty massive upgrade for them. Like, he's not gonna be like like Stephon Diggs or anything like that. Like, don't expect him anywhere near that. But I I took him in a league.
SPEAKER_01Like, I've I've got people keep comparing him to when people keep comparing him to when Amari Cooper signed with the Bills at the end of his career. I think he'll be better than that. Right. Amari Cooper was a lot older and was a lot close. I think a lot closer to the end of the the the you know, Stefan Diggs league, yeah. Than than where DJ Moore is right now in his career. I don't think he's like next year he's gonna be done with the NFL or anything like that. Whereas Amari Cooper was kind of like, hey, cool, go up there, do your thing, and then like get a paycheck.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Cooper, Cooper was already on the downward side of his career. DJ Moore has still been producing some pretty good season. He had a good season last year. Like, I still think he's got another couple years. Um, like I do think that this year he can be a top 20, maybe top 15 receiver, um, for sure. And it's I mean, that would be everything going right. And it's also because they have nothing else in that receiving court, really, except, I mean, their wide receiver too is basically James Cook, and then maybe Dalton Kincaid if he stays healthy, which is a massive if. But I I am not down on the DJ Moore thing, like it seems like a lot of people are, which surprises me. But I am like, I like I'm not expecting anything crazy, but I think he's definitely worth a flyer with where he's being drafted right now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he's one of the things.
SPEAKER_02He's being drafted really low for a wide receiver one, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_01Right. He's at cost, I think he's a decent pick where he's at. He's currently ADP of 59. Um, so he finished last year as the 28th best wide receiver. I I I don't know if I would go to top 15, like you're saying, but I definitely would say top 20, uh, is what I could see out of him.
SPEAKER_02So well, top 15 is like perfect situation. Also getting some help, probably some other guys have some injuries, like things like that. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, like that's like that is the top, top ceiling.
SPEAKER_01Yep. Uh all right, so more of the same for the Bills, I think is kind of the name of the game of the headline here. Uh, let's move on. We've got, I'm gonna kind of jump around in order. We've got the Miami Dolphins who uh fire Mike McDaniel last year, uh, hiring Jeff Hafey as their head coach now. Uh and it looks like a total teardown for the team, right? They trade Jalen Waddell to the Broncos, Tyreek Hill is now gone, Bradley Chubb is gone, Tua is gone, Mink of Fitzpatrick, I believe, was gone before this. Um, they extend Devon A. Chan, so he's the he's the big name there right now. We've got Malik Willis. We saw a three-game stretch from Malik Willis last year with Green Bay, where he looked uh very competent in that system. So take that for what it's worth. Um they add Jalen Tolbert, add Tutu Atwell, add Chris Bell, add there's another rookie wide receiver who I'm forgetting his name. Um Caleb Douglas? Is that it? Yes, that's right, that's right. Good call. I was not gonna come up with that anytime soon.
SPEAKER_02I think they took Caleb Douglas like a round.
SPEAKER_01Also in the third, they were both in the third round, but they they had two picks. So yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_02I think Douglas was the first one they took, though.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so Devon A-chan was a top five running back last year. No surprises there. Um, Malik Willis is now gonna take over. Um, I actually list on our website Devon Achan is my stinker of the year. And the reason being I I think Devon Achan is one of those players that he gets touted and put in this this top billing for a couple of reasons. One, because he he is a very he is a great running back. He also gets touted as having a high floor because of his pass catching abilities. And with Tua there, Tua is one of the more prolific check down passers that we had in the league. Um, not that he's awesome at it, just that he does it a lot. And if you take Tua and swap in a really mobile young Malik Willis, I think that changes the way that their offense looks much more than we realize, right? You've got rather than, hey, I'm here in the back, uh, you know, I'm in the pocket and I got to get rid of the ball, and I'm either gonna throw it away or I'm gonna check it down towards Devon A-chan. Well, Malik Willis is gonna scramble, he's gonna run, he's gonna try to extend plays, he's gonna try to get the ball down the field further. And so I think Devon Achan's floor of this patch catching work actually just kind of drops out quite a bit from where it was. I also I I know we look back at last year and say teams didn't have to respect anybody else on this offense in terms of their pass catchers last year because their pass catchers weren't that much better. Jalen Waddle was still there. And so to some extent Waddle was great. Yes, to some extent, you still had to respect the pass catchers in Miami. Yes. So you couldn't completely sell out and load the box against Devon Achan. I don't know if that's true this year, right? Everybody, I think that the pass catcher that gets touted the most, or I've heard the most about is Greg Dulcich. As like, yeah, he's there and he's gonna catch the ball a lot. So Devon A-chan is the one that scares me the most. Uh, I've taken him in a couple best balls just to have some exposure, but I don't feel awesome about it.
SPEAKER_02Uh no, I I I'm I completely agree with you. Um, mine, like I didn't go as far the route as like he's not gonna catch any, like catch as many passes because of Tua, but man, I am so worried about like what defense is gonna like ask them, like give them the running lanes, like none. Like they're gonna challenge Malik uh Willis to actually throw the ball because he has no one to throw it to. Um, I've been hearing or I think that what I've read, what I've read and seen is there's a lot of people that like who's the guy, Malik Washington, I think, is on their team, that they're picking him um as kind of like the wide receiver to own. I personally like I want nothing to do with the Miami offense. Pretty much, I don't even want, I know a lot of people like Malik Willis, and like if I just the draft falls that way and I have to take him as my QB2 in a super flex, so be it. Um, or like my QB three to the backup, so be it. But I'm not trying to get anybody in this offense. But if I'm gonna throw a take a dark throw late in my draft, like I actually say put it on, uh put it on Jalen Tilbert, man. Like, I I think he's really underrated. Is he gonna be anything crazy? No, but I actually think he has a legit chance of being the wide receiver one in this offense because I just I don't trust Dulcich and I don't trust uh Malik Washington, and I've seen him at Dallas. So like I again, do I think anything's gonna be worth anything in this offense? I really accept a Chan. No. And would I draft A-chan at his current ADP? No, not at all. But like if you're gonna throw a dart throw, like it might be worth it just at the end of your draft. If you're in some of these big, big leagues like we're in, where you have 25, 30, 35 rounds. Um, you're getting around 33, 34, you're like, Well, I'll just take a dart on on Tilbert. I mean, it costs you nothing, no one cares at that point, and you just never know. It might be something who can be a bi-week fill-in and get you, you know, eight to ten points or something. You just never know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I the one I've been finding myself of any of the pass catchers, I take more Chris Bell. Um, I know he's coming off the injury. All the news is like there's still no.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, but I when I see him, it's all of it. When I see him in dynasty leagues, like he's going, like Tobert is hardly ever getting drafted. Chris Bell is getting drafted, and he's getting drafted like in that round. Like, he he'll be getting drafted in round like 22, 23. Um, for a lot of the because a lot of people are like, well, even without all this good news that we've been hearing recently, like it was, you know, he he should be back midway through the season and can start coming back. And when he's back, he should be that wide receiver one once he's like full speed and a full go. But um, yeah, I mean, and that's I I agree with that one. That that's a good dart throw as well. Um, if you can handle like if you're not, if you don't need to draft someone that you need to play.
SPEAKER_01Yep. All right, moving on. We've got the New England Patriots, the Super Bowl losers, runners up, if you want to call them that. But no change in the coaching room. They do trade for AJ Brown and sign Romeo Dobbs, which uh is a I mean, pretty well overhaul their wide receiver room there.
SPEAKER_02Um I got three complete 180 on their wide receiver room. They probably went from one of the worst to, I wouldn't say one of the best, but at least top half.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I would say uh a top third, even wide receiver room. There are certainly a couple of them I can rattle off off the top of my head that I think are better. But AJ Brown and Dobbs plus everything that they had last year. Um not to mention some of the the other non-wide receiver pass catchers, Trevion being one of them, and Hunter Henry is kind of always there. So um they are projected for nine and a half wins this year. They go from one of the easiest to the sixth toughest schedule as Super Bowl losers, and I believe their start to the season is really bad.
SPEAKER_02Not not one of the easiest, one of the ten easiest schedules in NFL history. Not just it was easy last year, like it was historically easy. I just I want that to be said. I know you hate the Patriots too. So it's not that Patriots, I just think they were so overrated and they did not deserve to be in the Super Bowl. It should have been, but if Houston had a competent quarterback, or if Bo Nicks didn't get hurt, it it wouldn't have been Patriots, it wouldn't have been the Patriots.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, probably not, but Drake May did Drake May things. Uh he had a breakout year, 4,400 yards, 31 touchdowns, 450 and 4 on the ground. Trevion, Trevion and Ramondre are still kind of like the we saw it. Um uh we we saw it for sure, but I still don't really know what to make of those two guys. I think Trevion is certainly the one that's getting drafted ahead. Um, but Ramondre at class still feels like he's gonna be playing plenty.
SPEAKER_02No, I I am fully in on like I think Ramondre is still gonna be the starter. And right now, can you if you can you look up the ADPs? Because I I feel like Henderson is going Trevion easy five or six rounds before Stevenson, or maybe so Trevion overall ADP is 48, but it's 82. Yeah, so we're talking round four versus like round seven or eight. Um I mean that is that give me Stevenson all day in that. Like I don't I'm not even convinced that Henderson's even gonna be the RB1 on his own team, barring you know, like if Stevenson doesn't get hurt, and the biggest issue that he's had over his career has obviously been the fumbles. They were fixed last year. I I don't know. We'll see. I don't know if it was because of the defenses that he played against or if it was just because maybe he actually figured something out and he's better at it. But if he's got that figured out and he stays healthy, like Stevenson to me is a massive, massive buy. And just like he's he's a I don't know if I'd go as far as saying he's a league winner, but you could get a legit RB2 starting RB2 on your fantasy team in you know, round eight, round nine. That's a pretty big deal, especially if you want to go zero RB or hero RB strategy, like really set you up.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think the forgotten guy in New England, to me at least, is Romeo Dobbs. Um, and I know he's not the big name in all of this, but his ADP is 115. And I did not realize it was that low. Yeah, and I I think he will outperform that very easily. Yes. I I think even if AJ Brown comes in and does everything we expect him to do, which I I fully expect. I expect AJ Brown to come in, have a resurgent year one off of what he did last year, that Drake may does more of what he did last year as well. If Drake May does everything he did last year again, and AJ Brown does what we expect him to do, I think there is a ton of room for Romeo Dobbs to still take a massive workload. And at 116, you're talking about your fourth wide receiver. Or maybe fifth. There are a lot worse dart throws than something like that. And speaking of worse dart throws, we've got the New York Jets. The New York Jets, the last spot in the AFC East. The Jets win three games last year under Aaron Glenn. And surprisingly enough, he doesn't lose this job. Aaron Glenn retains his job. Everybody else pretty much is gone, though. But personnel-wise, uh the Jets bring in what could be considered an upgrade at quarterback in Geno Smith, which bring him in, bring him back. They flip Justin Fields over to the Chiefs. And then they uh take a couple of picks in the uh NFL draft, some really interesting ones. Um, they take Kenyon Steak uh in the first round. They take Omar Cooper Jr. as well to go along with Garrett Wilson and Brees Hall, who they've now extended. Uh so Gino coming back for his second year, kind of bringing him full circle. Uh we'll see what can be expected. I think there's a lot of analysts that look at Aaron Glenn and think he is not going to make it past this year. Brees Hall had a decent year, but uh he was really the bright spot for that team. 243 rushes, a thousand yards, plus some of the receiving work. Gino had a really bad year in Las Vegas. Uh Garrett Wilson was hurt all throughout the year. I I think the Jets are an interesting team in this division, but I don't really know if there's a whole lot to say other than, you know, Brees Hall is kind of an acquired taste. Garrett Wilson, I would say, is probably a lot of the same. Uh, the rookies are interesting. Kenyon Sadiq looks like he could be a beast, but they took second round Mason Taylor last year. So we'll see what they want to do on offense with some of these young players that they've drafted. And they are a team that feels like they are very much in the who can we get a quarterback next year sweepstakes, whether it's Arch or any of those guys. So any thoughts quickly on the Jets?
SPEAKER_02Uh I worry, I don't I worry about the offensive pieces. I think they've done a lot to upgrade them, like you mentioned. Um, I still worry about Garrett Wilson. I love the player, I love the talent. Um, I just I don't believe in Geno Smith. I don't think he's gonna like Seattle Gino, Garrett Wilson's gonna be a league winner. But it, you know, are we forgetting Las Vegas Gino? Like it's it's gonna be nothing. So like I I'm not excited about that. And then I also think that I really love the draft that they had with Cooper and Sadiq. Like, I think those guys and everything Cooper's been a standout, he's been doing awesome in camp so far. Um, but I I just I don't I think they're all gonna like take away from one another, right? Like it's there's I think in this offense, there's only gonna be so many pieces of that pie. Um, and it's gonna be a much smaller pie than most offenses in terms of the passing game goes. And I think you're gonna have between Brees Hall, Sadiq, Cooper, and then even Taylor, like they're just all gonna kind of eat into each other, and it's just none of them are really gonna be very startable um throughout the season this year.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I just hope they don't do dumb stuff with Brees Hall. I know Aaron Glenn always wants to talk about how he wants to use three running backs, and they've got Braylon Allen coming back off of his injury last year. They just resigned Brees Hall. Like, please don't do dumb stuff with him. The other point about the Jets, while it's not like an offensive fantasy discussion point, like they draft David Bailey, and I I like the pick quite a bit at the top of the draft, and I think their defense, their defense is not nothing in a in a division where they're definitely bottom half. Um, I think they've set themselves up well for the future here. So looking at the AFC East, who's your top to top to bottom ranking here? Who are you taking to win the division?
SPEAKER_02Yep, I'm going uh Buffalo, New England, the Jets, and then Miami.
SPEAKER_01Yep. I'm taking the opposite yet again. I'm gonna go with the Patriots, the Bills second, Jets third, Dolphins fourth.
SPEAKER_02I just can't, I just can't get through with with New England. It's I can't, it's the schedule. I just can't I can't see it. I'm not, you know, maybe I'm wrong. Um, but I don't know. Like, I just I'm really interested. And I forget, did we mention Buffalo? Don't they have a new head coach too?
SPEAKER_01Yep, they do. We did, we talked about the offensive coordinator becoming their head coach.
SPEAKER_02It was like 50 minutes ago.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. All right. Last division. I'll try to make it quick. The AFC West. Uh, we've got a couple of interesting teams here. Uh, it's an interesting division, so we'll we'll take what we need to. The Chiefs had a really bad year last year. Mahomes tears his ACL. Um, the Chiefs also trade away some pieces in the offseason. They traded Trent McDuffie to the Rams. Uh, they let Jalen Watson leave. Um, but they signed Ken Walker. That's their big, big signing of the year. Uh, we've also got all the off-season news about Rasheed Rice and everything that's going on there, but it seems like, at least at this point, that there is no uh suspensions coming, uh, at least as as far as we're aware. So we've got Pat Pat Mahomes looks like he's gonna be healthy for the beginning of the year. Uh Travis Kelsey's a year older and now married, so there's that thing. Ken Walker was the uh Super Bowl MVP, and um I I'm very interested in in him uh uh with the Kansas City Chiefs, and then like we said, the pass catchers are kind of all maybe pick your poison. Rasheed Rice, when he's on the field and healthy, is great. I don't trust that he's gonna be on the field and or healthy.
SPEAKER_02He's got knucklehead syndrome, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so what are your thoughts on the Chiefs? Um anybody you like drafting.
SPEAKER_02Well, I mean, I if Rasheed, well, I wouldn't take Rasheed Rice right now. If his AD because it seems like his ADP just is not dropping after uh everything has happened. Um, I mean, I have Rasheed Rice. I was feeling good about it, and then I drafted him, and then literally like three days later, the arrest happened and the jail time happened and everything. Um, and then but I mean, if he ever got it figured out off the field, he would be a top 10 wide receiver. Um, I am, I do like taking some dark throws on Xavier Worthy. I'm hopeful, and even some stuff I've read that it seems like the injury last year really affected him all throughout the year, and he's getting more healthy now. Um, and so I think that, and you know, they're talking it up, but man, I think I'm not shy from any of the Kansas City stuff except maybe Kenneth Walker. I like you want to talk about HN being your best, Kenneth Walker's mine. Like, I don't I don't trust Kenneth Walker at all. He has been in the league, what, four or five years now, and he has only had one year where he was healthy, and it was last year, and he had to do a massive timeshare with Zach Charbonnet um to get there. The talent is obvious and it's there, and everyone thinks about the Super Bowl, but I just I don't think that he can stand up in a full in like in a full season and stay healthy um and be a top-tier producer um at the running back position. And then with I just I'm I'm really feeling like Andy Reid is just the time's passing him by. Like I don't know what it is. I I think it it just with his running, he just does not like to run the ball. And so with and it's just even going back to his days in Philadelphia, he just doesn't do it. And so I just I don't trust that Kenneth Walker is gonna be a big producer. So, like outside of him, I'm not really shy from anybody else, but I don't think that I'm like again, like really like yearning. I really need to get these guys.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Ken Walker's actually the only one I like out of their players. I and I'm not a massive, massive fan. So I was looking, you said something about him being unhealthy. The four seasons he's been in the league, he's played 15, 15, 11, and 17 games. 17 was last year. Um, so I don't know. Everything I've read out of Kansas City is that he he fits well. I I think you know, you're to your point on Andy Reed doesn't like to run. Who's the best running back that's ever been on an Andy Reed team? Like with the Chiefs, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02I I I Kareem Hunt probably with the Chiefs. Well, yes, I know he had LaShawn McCoy in Philly. Like he had some good, but like he doesn't it's he if he has his brothers, like he's still going to be passing 60 to 70 percent of the time, right? And so that's my thing is it's not gonna be anywhere near a run heavy offense, especially when you have Patrick Mahomes. That's all I'm saying with him.
SPEAKER_01Walker breaks off breaks off more big runs than the Chiefs have in the last couple of years combined. So I I I think that's the point is that it's not a volume, it's an efficiency thing with him. And that's that's why I think he fits well here. I'm not saying he's the league winner, but I I I'm definitely not shy about taking him. Uh looking then ahead, so we've got the Los Angeles uh Las Vegas Raiders. I almost called him the Los Angeles Raiders. Uh Clint Kubiak is their new head coach. They spent at number one. Fernando Mendoza is their pick there. They trade Geno Smith away. They signed Kirk Cousins, so now we've got Kirk and Fernando together, which is interesting, I guess. Um Brock Bowers is healthy. The I think the biggest signing that they had was the uh what is it, Linderbaum from the Ravens, their center that they went out and got. So Ashton Gentis got a little bit of a healthier and reworked offensive line.
SPEAKER_02Um don't forget they got Mac, they signed Max Crosby.
SPEAKER_01They've yeah, they re-signed Max Crosby back. So uh their win total does take a hit, but Las Vegas is one of those teams. I'll I'll tell you my my kind of hot, maybe not hot take, but like I think Brock Bowers bounces back in a massive, massive way. And I don't know if he laps the field necessarily, but he becomes the easy fantasy tight end one this year. Uh he stays healthy and becomes fantasy tight end one. That's that's really what I expect to happen this year. And I've been drafting accordingly pretty much everywhere.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, I think I think Bowers is uh to me, he's he is the tight end one, and it's not even close. Even with McBride, even with Loveland and Warren, like it's as long as he stays healthy, he's gonna be wide receiver one on this team. And I love the Kubiak offense. Um, I think Bowers is just going to eat, eat, eat all day um in this offense. I'm I'm excited about it. Um, the thing that I would also say is that it seems like the QB battle, so to speak. Like I think everyone kind of assumed, hey, Kirkwood maybe he's there to mentor and he's gonna maybe start the first few games and then uh Mendoza will kind of take over. But it seems like Las Vegas is kind of preparing right now to not have Mendoza start the whole year. Um, I was reading earlier, I think today or yesterday, where it seems like I think that Mendoza is not like he's he's a little bit further behind on picking up the offense than I than they were hoping or expecting. And so there is some, like they're not it's not that they wouldn't start him, but it's like right now they're talking like they're not sure that he'll be able to start. Like he might need a full year of development behind Kirk on the bench to really learning and watching um in order before he can really start games that they feel comfortable uh being out there with him. Um, and so I think you know, temper your expectations if you're drafting Mendoza and you know, cousins might be a worthwhile pick, you know, in either a super flex or you know, maybe as like a QB three or four sitting on your bench um in your leaks, like towards the end of your draft. So I I don't know, like outside of them, uh Genti, uh I don't think you mentioned him. Um, I think he's gonna be he was a bust last year. Um, you know, rookie, bad offense. Um, but I'm I'm really excited about him. I think he's gonna be a huge producer. He's he's not gonna outperform his ADP because he's being drafted pretty high right now. Um, but I I really like both Bowers and Genty um in this offense this year.
SPEAKER_01Yep. I I do too. I like Genty quite a bit. I think the offensive line is the reason I'm I'm liking what the Raiders are doing more than anything else, but Genty, especially there. Uh speaking of young running backs, so his his other, I guess, running mate from the class last year, Omarion Hampton and the Los Angeles Chargers, uh, win 11 games, even with losing both of their offensive tackles for most of the season, make the playoffs. Um, they let Jesse Minter leave to be the new Ravens head coach, fired Greg Roman, uh, but hire Mike McDaniel. So Mike McDaniel comes in as their new offensive coordinator. Um, they're healthy again on the offensive line. Uh, I believe what was I was trying to remember this earlier. What is the guy's name? That's the backup running back that they brought in from the Ravens. Um Keaton Keaton Mitchell? Okay, yeah, Keaton Mitchell. Um, so Keaton Mitchell comes in, Keenan Allen leaves, Hampton's healthy, Justin Herbert seems healthy, and they've got the Ladd McConkey, Quentin Johnston, uh duo back together. They also bring in um, so they had a Ronde Gaston last year bring in how am I blanking on who's the other tight end they brought in? You're not paying attention.
SPEAKER_02What's his name? No, I'm thinking.
SPEAKER_01Uh oh, oh, uh David Njoku. Is it Waller? Holy crazy.
SPEAKER_02No, Njoku, yes.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh. All right, so David Njoku's there. Ronde Gaston, who had a good year last year, is uh is still there as well. Um, I think the the top thing for me looking at the Chargers, I I mean, I I love the Chargers setup. I really like the Mike McDaniel hiring to me puts Hampton kind of on another level, uh, at least for this coming season. I I just seeing everything he's done, I I think he's going to get Hampton into a position to succeed a lot. I also think it matters a lot for Justin Herbert. Um, yeah. With as many patch catching options as he has, uh, I really expect him to take take a good step forward uh with with where things stand. So yeah. Thoughts on the Chargers from you.
SPEAKER_02No, I I completely agree. I think the um hiring McDaniel, that's a huge, huge hiring for most of this offense. And the fact that I think they're not bringing back Keenan Allen um is gonna be huge um for a lot of the guys as well. Like I think it's gonna lift up Ladd McCaukey. Um, I love Hampton as well. Um, but I wouldn't sleep on Keaton Mitchell. I think I actually think that he's gonna play a bigger role um in a McDaniel offense. He is a pass cat pass catcher, um, and he's really good at it. And so I think that he's gonna have a pretty big role to play there that might hurt Hampton a little bit, but Hampton is definitely gonna be the RB1. I do think it's gonna be a much more high-powered offense, much better. Um, I really like Ladd to have a bounce back here. Um, and I'm even I'm even in on Quentin Johnston. Um, I like him as like a maybe like late deep sleeper, um someone who can maybe get back as long as they I think that again, all of this is as long as they don't re-sign Keenan Allen coming up here in the last you know month or so before the season starts. Um, which, you know, I haven't heard rumblings that they will, but you just never know. Um as long as they don't do that, I think it's it's gonna be really good for a lot of these guys. And I I'm I'm excited to see what Herbert can do with who I feel is probably maybe the first offensive coordinator, head coach that's a really, really good offensive mind to help kind of mentor, lead, tutor, whatever you want to call it, um, with him um in his offense and just kind of see how they might be able to unlock him, you know, maybe get him to another level.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, for sure. Yep. I think we both have the Chargers arrow, green arrow up, right, as a team overall. And then we've got the Denver Broncos. So won the AFC West, hosted the championship game, lost to New England in the snow, uh, with Bonex out with a broken ankle. Um, went under the game. Who was their starting quarterback in that game? I can't even remember now. Um, what was his name? Uh while I looked that up. They did they went 11-0 in um one score games. Yeah, 11-0 in one scoring one score. Jared Stidam. There you go. Um, Jared Stidham is the backup quarterback that lost that game for them. They trade for Jalen Waddell, Sean Payton comes back. Uh Davis Webb is their new OC. Let's see, they lost some defensive pieces, but uh they bring in through the draft Jonah Coleman. So Bonex now we've got J.K. Dobbins is resigned. RJ Harvey's still there. Jonah Coleman in the running back room. Then we've got they also uh Evan Ingram is still around. They draft Justin Jolly, I believe, in the fourth round, if I'm not crazy. Um at tight end, bring in Jalen Waddell to go alongside Cortland Sutton, Pat Bryant, and uh uh Troy Franklin. So and Marvin Ms. Yeah. So um so an interesting team. Definitely a um they overperformed their win total going into last year was nine and a half. They win 14 games. Uh their win total again going into this year is nine and a half. So Vegas still seems like they think the the one-score game number is gonna come back to Earth. But looking at this team, um there's a couple guys that I I like, and there's a couple guys that I just don't have any desire to touch. Uh J.K. Dobbins at his price is one of those players that I find myself taking a lot, especially in best model. Um, I don't expect him to be there the entire season, but when he's healthy, I think he's the lead. Um, Jonah Coleman and RJ Harvey can fight over receiving work, thumper type work, but I think J.K. Dobbins is the one that that gets most of the workload there. I want nothing to do with Cortland Sutton. I don't trust it. Um he had a good year last year, a thousand yards, seven touchdowns. Cortland Sutton just feels like one of those players that is like, man, he's gonna drop off the face of a cliff here sooner rather than later, and I just don't want to hold that bag. Um also Waddle coming in, I think, is going to it's gonna push Sutton in some uncomfortable directions for owners. Um, I'm not saying I think Waddle is gonna come in and let the world on fire either. He's got to figure some things out, and Cortland Sutton's been with Bonic since Bonick started uh that took over that job, but Jalen Waddle's a better receiver than Cortland Sutton, and he's a younger receiver than Cortland Sutton. So that's what scares me the most. Uh, I think Evan Ingram and Justin Jolly, I actually kind of expect that Ingram probably loses that job at some point relatively early in the season. Um I've kind of come around on that later this offseason, just that with as little as he did last year with no competition. Um, you know, I'm not saying it's not like they brought in Brock Bowers or anything like that, or Sadiq, or, you know, a Eli Stowers, a top two-round tight end to replace him. But I think they're gonna look to start replacing him at some point here soon. So they need more out of that spot than what Evan Ingram is giving them, which is a guy who's not gonna block in line, who's gonna be out wide, but then they're not really throwing to him all that often, even if he is out wide. So they're an interesting team. I do think Bonics probably is uh he's a lower ranked quarterback in fantasy overall. I think he takes a pretty decent step forward this year just with the additional pass catchers. So he's another one I find myself. He he kind of ends up in that dead zone where if you want a top tier second quarterback, he's a good one to take, but he's not quite to the level of a top 12 quarterback or so. Um I could see him taking a uh next step and getting into say the back half of the top 10 uh when all things are considered the end of this year. So what are your thoughts on the Broncos?
SPEAKER_02Um I am all in on the Broncos this year. I absolutely love them. Um I completely agree with you on the J.K. Dobbins thing. I don't understand the Dobbins hate. I get the injuries, but man, when he is healthy, he's good. He is still good. And I think I don't, again, I don't know the ADPs. Maybe you can look it up while I'm talking with their three running backs, but I'm pretty sure he's the third running back in ADP out of out of Denver, out of those three. And I don't, I just don't see it. Like they clearly, Peyton clearly does not like uh RJ Harvey. And he is just, I don't, I don't know what it is, but there's just no like he has not really endeared himself to that staff. And then Oman, he's he's a rookie. I think Peyton's relatively notorious for not really trusting rookies unless he absolutely has to. Um, and so yeah, he do you have their ADPs?
SPEAKER_01I do. So uh RJ Harvey is 68, he's the first one. Uh Dobbins is second at 92, and Coleman is last at 145.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Okay. So I would still uh I would still say that I would want to take J.K. Dobbins. And if you're nervous about the injuries, throw in some Jonah Coleman. Like it, like I just I think that, you know, draft J.K. Dobbins, yeah, don't necessarily expect him to be there the entire year for you, but he could be an RB1 or an RB2 for your team while maybe some of your rookies are trying to figure it out, or maybe you can do that, have him on there and then trade him away halfway through the season. Like, I don't like I just I really like J.K. Dobbins. He's one of my guys that I'm calling as one of my you know sleepers, overperformers, whatever you want to call him, uh for the year. Um, being able to get him what three rounds later than RJ Harvey is crazy to me. Um I am also all in on Waddle. I think Bo Nicks is by far gonna be the best quarterback that Waddle will have played with. Um and I I agree with you. Like, I if I was a Sutton owner, like I'd be a little disappointed and sad. Um, but I I'm not as worried about Sutton because I I think this is gonna be a really good offense. I think this is gonna be a really good team overall. And like Bo Knicks, like I don't, I don't understand it. Like, he's a guy that I think that honestly, I think people just forget about. You know what he was last season? You know where he finished last season? QB7. You know where he finished the year before that, his rookie season? QB7. Like he is, he is, he, he's been he's been a top seven quarterback in both of his years. Like, I just I have no reason to think that he wouldn't be a top 10 quarterback this year. And the fact that you can get him, like you said, and like God, what's his ADP as quarterbacks? Like 18, 19, 22. Like he's he's way down there for whatever reason. Um, I don't know if people just forget about him, people just still don't trust him. Like at this point, it's been two years of being a top performer as a quarterback. Like, and now you're telling me he's just upgraded his offensive weapons. I am I am all in on Denver.
SPEAKER_01Bonicks is in redraft leagues. He's currently quarterback 15, and his ADP is about 118. So, yeah, to your point, he means that's he's in that kind of forgetful dead zone. Like that that's what I classify that as.
SPEAKER_02So he's a guy that you should be targeting in every single one of your leagues. Hit it, like smash that uh draft button to pick him up. Like he could be a guy that you take if you're in a redraft, you know, and you're only doing like 20 rounds, you could get him in like round 16, 17, and he's a top 10 QB right there. And think about you could draft 14, 15 legit starters and not even have to worry about quarterback if you can take him at QB 15. Like it's just it's it's a no-brainer to me. Um, so yeah, I'm I'm all in on Denver this year.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Awesome. All right, looking at the uh the AFC West, then who's your uh who's taking the division? What's your order that you got him in?
SPEAKER_02Well, I mean, of course, because we were just talking about them, and then I said I'm all in on them, Denver. I'm I'm picking them again to win the to win the division. Um, and I'm actually gonna go the Chargers to go number two here with Kansas City in third and then Vegas rounding out, um, number one in the arch manning sweepstakes, basically. Though they're not gonna take him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Uh I am gonna go something a little different. I will take the Chargers as my top team in this division. Uh, I think the yeah, the Broncos second, Chiefs third, Raiders fourth. So, yeah. All right. We did it. We got through the entire AFC. It only took us however long this episode will come out to, but that's all right. Uh come back next week. We'll talk about the NFC and go through a similar exercise here. But for math, I'm Robert. We're gonna sign off here and we'll talk to you all next time. Peace out!
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