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Everything Bagel League Draft Recap
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We did it. We survived the Everything Bagel League startup draft, and we have the emotional scars to prove it.
In this episode, RB and Preher break down their dynasty startup draft recap for the most loaded fantasy football format known to mankind — PPR, IDP, Superflex, AND TE Premium all rolled into one glorious, chaotic, decision-paralysis-inducing draft. We call it the Everything Bagel League because, just like its namesake, it has everything on it whether you asked for it or not.
If you thought drafting for a standard redraft league was stressful, try juggling quarterback value in Superflex, elite tight end scarcity in TE Premium, defensive player rankings in IDP, and PPR pass-catcher upside — all at the same time, for a dynasty roster you'll be living with for years. Every pick feels like a math problem wrapped inside a gut feeling wrapped inside a mild existential crisis.
We walk through how the draft unfolded, which positions dominated the early rounds, how the format forced some unconventional decisions, and whether or not we came away feeling good about our squads. Spoiler: we have opinions.
Pull up a seat, pour something strong, and come hang with us as we unpack every layer of this everything bagel. It's messy, it's fun, and we wouldn't have it any other way.
This is the RB and prayer show. Just a couple of guys hanging out and talking fantasy football. Now, here are your hosts, Robert and Matt.
SPEAKER_02All right, welcome in. We're back. Post post post NFL draft. We're back, actually, we talked about the NFL draft last episode. Now we're back after our dynasty IDP draft. I think we made plenty of jokes last episode, Matt, that our our dynasty, superflex, IDP, tight end premium, PPR, everything bagel of a league, uh draft was going to take us three months and we'd be back. And lo and behold, we we actually put a board bet about how far in the draft we were gonna get. Yes. The draft started on a was a Saturday morning, right? I think we started it Saturday at like nine or ten. Yep. Yeah. And we said, how far into the draft will we get by Saturday at midnight? You had round two, pick eight. I said round two, pick eleven. The actual number was like round five and a half, it seemed like.
SPEAKER_01No, it was like eight. All the way to like that's what was crazy. So this one went all the way to like the eighth, and then over the next like three days, we only got to the tenth.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and then we turned the timer down a little bit, like cranked, got a little faster, and we were done within a week. Okay, which doesn't sound that crazy, except when you understand that this draft was 12 teams in like 35 rounds. So what what a nut job of 12 people that we're drafting with there. But Matt, quick question of the day you get one do-over in the draft. What's your do-over pick? Yeah. If you take it back, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So my mine's pretty easy. Um, I took Rasheed Rice in the fourth. Now he was my wide receiver two. Um, and he is I I was feeling good. I actually thought that it seemed like Kansas City was doing a lot of things that made it seem like they believed that his gooberiness was gone and done and over. Um it was not. Then, like literally three days later, after either the draft ended or after I draft picked him, I don't remember at what point um all the stuff came out about him then going to prison now for 30 days. Um after rehabbing surgery. So yeah, rehabbing surgery in jail. I still I still think, and I've read a lot and and even looked at like there's some legal fantasy people that I follow on Twitter, um, that's that are really good. And I I think that uh I I I do feel good that he will probably play this year. I mean, you never know. And it seems like the NFL could suspend him, but the suspension he served last year was for the same offense. Like this was for essentially just not meeting his probation, is basically what it was.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's a probation violation, is what that's called.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So the the league could suspend him. Um, it's my understanding that they could suspend him under the what personal personnel conduct. Personal personal conduct.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and and if they did that, it would probably only be like two or three games. Um, so I I still feel okay, but yeah, I would definitely love to have that pick back and would have rather taken like Chris O'Loveway, Alave, or Egg Buca, or Devontae Smith, or Ladd McConkey, like all guys that went after him. Um, some of them I were hoping were gonna make it back to me on the f in the fifth, and they none of them did. But um, yeah, they were uh he's probably my big do-over.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah. Well, you you draft uh a quality there, Matt. You've got to type, I guess is what I'll say with uh for she wise. For for mine, my my like do-over pick has nothing to do with legal troubles or like off the field stuff. Honestly, mine was I I felt really happy about the pick at the time, and the more the draft played out, the more I was like, uh that probably was not a wise pick. I should have gone a different direction. So I ended up taking Tyler Warren in the fifth round. That might sound like a fine pick, especially in a tight end premium, except I had taken Brock Bowers in the third. And maybe still in a tight end premium, you think, well, those two guys together, like you're gonna play one of them at flex, and that's that's fine if they if they uh produce like they did last year. Except I ended up kind of backing myself into unintentionally going zero RB uh and didn't take my running backs until the 12th round. And in the fifth, I could have had Trevion, Kyron Williams, Judkins, Scataboo, uh Travis Achan. Uh yeah, there's lots of guys that went not between Tyler Warren and my next pick that came around. So, I mean, just for a uh for an opportunity cost, I probably would have been wiser to go with a different direction there. But I'm not upset at the pick. I just it could have been a better one for me, I think. But I digress. I still I'm I'm still very curious of how how my strategy for this whole league is gonna play out. What uh well, before we get into the the draft and recapping the draft, that's one thing we'll do on today's episode. We're also gonna go through, we had AI look at our draft board and throw out some dynasty draft grades for us. So we'll go through those and see where where we maybe agree and where we think the AI tool may have hallucinated a little bit. Um, and then we're gonna talk about based on our League of Boom dynasty draft, uh, who are the short-term players, who are the long-term builders, and who's kind of stuck in the middle right now uh before we finish up talking about some of the league trades that have happened since then and our what what's up next on the podcast. So, first things first, let's jump into NFL news. So we've got a lot to talk about. We've been uh we haven't had an episode in three weeks now, and while that doesn't sound like that long of a time in the offseason, my goodness, there's been a ton of stuff that's gone on. So we've got a couple of things that I jotted down notes on. We had two two players that got extensions uh shortly after the NFL draft. That being Nico Collins got a, I believe it was a two-year extension, um, but got more money. Uh or not, I'm sorry, not an extension. He got a pay raise. Uh, and then Matt Stafford got a two-year extension. I believe his is was it 35 or 55 million? Uh at that point, uh honestly, the money doesn't matter anymore for for somebody in that. But but he got two more basically what the Stafford one tells me is he's got two more years, and Ty Simpson is going to be the guy after that. Like that, this is this is the last one we need to do. Um, he's probably not gonna be playing past two years from now, hopefully. I I don't know, maybe not, hopefully, but uh, but that's really what Stafford's telling me. The Nico one, I do think is kind of interesting. Like they didn't extend him, they did decide to pay him more money, so that's not a bad thing, but I I struggled to kind of read the tea leaves behind pay raise, good, no extension, okay, fine fine enough, and especially with a player at Nico's age. So, any thoughts on those two uh NFL bits of news?
SPEAKER_01Um, I think uh well on the Nico front, I mean, not really. I mean, he was already the clear number one there. Um, it's just kind of, I guess, even more solidified what you are what we already kind of know and assume. Um, I think you know, depending on how you feel about CJ Stroud, you may or may not like that, that he's extended at Houston a little bit longer. So um who knows? But nothing really surprising there. I think the thing with Stafford, though, is was at least a little interesting because it seemed like with the Rams and especially with the Ty Simpson draft pick in the first round uh of their real draft, that they were setting everything up for this is like the final ride. This is the last year, we're going all in. Clearly, for I mean, another huge massive trade that I'm sure we're about to talk about here in a second. But um, like it just seemed like they're going all in, and it seemed like everyone, okay, this was it. This was his last ride, he's gonna be gone, Adams will be gone. Like they'll kind of blow it up, and probably uh there's even some scuttle butt that McVeigh will be gone too. Well, now with Stafford signing that extension, you know, it's just looking more like he's just like, wait, wait, no, uh, we're not done. We're gonna keep going, you know. And I I don't know enough about the salary cap stuff to see, I don't know how quickly I don't look to see how they're guaranteed money or anything to see when they could actually get out of that deal with him. Um, or I guess if he retires, um, it doesn't really matter. But it it does seem like, you know, look, if you're a Ty Simpson holder, which you are, um, that like instead of a possible 2027 start, like it may not be until 2028 or even 2029 at this point, just kind of whatever Stafford wants to do. So I I do think that Stafford is in a fan in the fantasy world perennially perennially underrated, um, especially in the dynasty, just because of his age. Um, but he just consistently produces. Um, and he's got the injury stuff, and he's got, yeah, yeah, he is like getting up there in age, but this tells me that he's definitely not done yet.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, as the as the Ty Simpson owner, which is not a thing I feel like I thought I would be saying as of maybe two weeks ago, um, you know, it kind of stinks because I think it it just extends his timeline. But um I I also think that there's some opportunities for, you know, maybe that two-year contract really is like it's a one-year starter guarantee contract, and then you know, the next year is like, well, hey, it's a it's a battle, and they can battle it out, and maybe Stafford goes away after one of the two years. Um we'll we'll see. Um, you know, I think for most people in a dynasty league, Stafford, maybe this moves Stafford up a spot in your like startup dynasty rankings, but it probably really didn't move the needle. You know, I mean if you're if you're in a dynasty startup and you're thinking about Stafford, you're probably at the tail end of your draft, or at least in the middle of it. Um, and you know, the guys he's going around, maybe he moves up ahead of one or two of them, but that's kind of it. So we've got those two, and then a couple other moves. So one I think we've talked about already, which was Romeo Dobbs to the Patriots. It looked like for a hot second that he was gonna be their new number one, and then it was like the worst kept secret in the league uh that AJ Brown was gonna go to New England. And sure enough, AJ Brown does go to New England, although I think like there were some weird rumblings right before it happened of like, well, maybe it's not gonna happen. Maybe he's gonna go to LA or maybe he's gonna go to Philadelphia. I even heard the Chiefs. Like, they had in the ring, too. So yeah, but AJ Brown is a patriot, as is Romeo Dobbs. Uh I I what do you think? Uh arrow up, down, sideways for AJ Brown with this trade.
SPEAKER_01Um I mean, I think I think for Brown, well, so I think for Brown it is sideways slash maybe slightly going down, but the reason for going down is not necessarily the going to New England, because I do think that Drake May is a much better quarterback and a much better passer than Jalen Hurts is, especially deep and across the middle. And I do think that he will be in a I guess a better offense for him, even though it's still going to be a run first, ground and pound, like we want a slow the clock type of offense. But he produced well with that in the Eagles, and he'll have less competition um, you know, than he would have um in in Philly, especially after their after their NFL draft. The thing that makes me think that AJ Brown is starting to go down is outside of just his age, he's kind of hitting that that at that point where they start to kind of, you know, he's hit his peak, now he's on the other way going down. It's it's the the knee stuff because it came out, you know, they're because the Rams were really interested in really looking into him. Clearly, they're going all in right now. And but they decide to bow out because their medical staff wouldn't sign off on it. Now, New England's medical staff did, you know, they think that they'll be able to, you know, manage him, keep him healthy enough for the season, all of that. But that's the only thing that kind of gives me some worry um of being an AJ Brown owner is it's not really the offense and it's not the quarterback, it's not anything like that. It's really maybe there's actually something here. And in my opinion, like you should trade AJ Brown now if you have him, um, because I don't think that his value is ever going to be higher than what it is now. I mean, I don't think his value took a big jump going to to New England, but if anything, it took maybe a little bit of a jump just because everyone knew he was unhappy. The Eagles were just kind of a mess last year, and they're probably going to continue being a mess this year. And, you know, everyone, you know, hurts is hurts. So uh I just I don't know. I would I'd say trade them now for as much as you can and get out while the iron's still hot.
SPEAKER_02So I actually have I have a little bit of a different view. I I if you I was kind of thinking about this question as well as you were talking of just what do I think who are the winners and the losers on the Patriots offense post all of their moves? And maybe it's it's the wrong way of thinking about it, but in my mind, thinking about AJ Brown and Dobbs and May and Henderson and Stevenson and all those guys, I think across the board, uh maybe not across the board, but but I'll say I think May, Dobbs, AJ Brown, I see all of them as arrows up. I see May for sure, right? His his receiving core just got three times better than it was last year. You know, I I mean it was just a bunch of dudes out there trying to get some stuff done, and now he's got actual guys that have done something in the league before not that long ago, um, that that can be really good. So I think Mays is probably the farthest up. I think Dobbs is in a good situation. Yes, he's the number two, but compared to where he came from, where Dobbs was viewed in Green Bay as anywhere from the number two to like the number four wide receiver on that team, if depending on who you asked or which way the wind was blowing, right? I I think he is a big upgrade over anything that they really had last year, especially when Dobbs was good last year. He had a couple times where he had tons of catches, had three touchdowns, you know, those types of games where he stacked them on top of each other. You know, I think the uh the the guardian cap and the helmet uh on uh the Patriots logo look a little fun. But uh but no, I I think Dobbs is a is an arrow of bobblehead. Yeah, even with AJ Brown, and I do think AJ Brown's an arrow up, and I think he's probably more so I think more so than probably even you think at this point. The reason being there's no Devontae Smith on this Patriots roster, right? Even there's no Hunter Henry, uh there is a Hunter Henry, there's no um oh gosh, I'm blanking on his name. What's the tight end for the Eagles? Uh big dude. Uh Dallas Goddard. Yes, thank you, Dallas Goddard. Yeah, so there's no uh Hunter Henry and Dallas Goddard, you want to say they're a push, fine enough. Stevenson and Henderson are not Saquon Barkley either. And for all the difference in the quarterback, you know, Jalen Hurts, tush push, would run it in if they get in close, like he's gonna do his thing. Drake May can run if he has to, and he certainly had to a little bit last year, but that's not his first or second read. That's that's a backup to a backup read. So I that's the reason I look at A.J. Brown as a big arrow up, it's a very short-term view of him, but the situation itself is so much better for him that I see him, even if he does generally what he did last year, I think his market share of the targets in New England, he will get better quality and he will have a bigger share of the targets. And there will be more targets because it's not Saquon sitting there in the backfield that's gonna, you know, get the ball 20 or 30 times, and it's not Jalen Hurts who's gonna get a handful of rushes a game because they're gonna tush-push every chance they can, right? So so I see I see A.J. Brown as a big arrow up to me. Um, and you know, I think you and I talked about it during the draft, and we'll look at this one too. Like, I had the opportunity to take A.J. Brown and pair him with Drake May, and I ended up going with Garrett Wilson for the youth over A.J. Brown at that point. Uh frankly, I was really hoping A.J. Brown might turn around and come back to me that at that point in the draft. He didn't. He was the next pick off the board, and that's fine. Uh, but you know, I I I think he is a he is a great player, and I think his situation, he's gonna be, I don't know. I I don't know if I would dare to say like he's gonna be top 10 wide receiver this year or anything like that. He probably should, but we'll see. I I really like him. I think he'll have a good year. Um, so the last move that was major, major, I I don't know if anybody really saw it coming outside of the day it ended up happening. We were all sitting around waiting for the AJ Brown news, and all of a sudden the Browns and the Rams do end up making a trade, and Miles Garrett goes to Los Angeles uh for Jared Verse. And uh, do you remember the pick compensation? It was a two, a five, and a one, right? And I believe one of the two.
SPEAKER_01No, no, I thought they had a first in there. Didn't they have a first-eight first?
SPEAKER_02It was a 28 first and a 27 second and fifth, and one of them was conditional that if the team ended up with such a bad record that that it would move up. There was something weird about it like that. So they end up with at least we'll say three draft picks, one of which was a first, and Jared Verse for 30 plus-year-old Miles Garrett. Um, Jared Verse has been a two-time pro bowler. He was, I believe he was defensive player of the year two years ago, uh, defensive rookie of the year two years ago.
SPEAKER_01So And I will tell you this, I think that the Rams got a steal. Because I think that um, I mean, you're going all in, but we are talking about a dude who will probably go down in history as the greatest defensive player in in in in NFL history, just broke the sack record, and I I still think that he's got two, maybe three, but two for sure, in my opinion, top-tier, top level uh years left. And it's all kind of going it all coincides with kind of their timeline, like we talked about with Stafford and Adams and all that kind of stuff. Obviously, they're going all in, but yeah, you're you're doing that, and you're you're basically replacing Verse with just an older, better version of them, and you're getting um uh another first round pick in a loaded draft class, like in one of the best draft classes in a long time. Um 2027, just overall.
SPEAKER_02The Rams are not getting a first round pick. The Rams aren't getting a pick in this in this deal. All the picks and versus you're right. I'm sorry. What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_01No, I I'm losing my mind. Uh, but no, I still think, yeah, they they did it. Uh Cleveland received a 27 first, a 22, 28 second, and a 29 conditional third. That's that's what it was. Um, but yeah, like I still think because like when when Miles Garrett, when they restructured his contract, and they did it in a way, like his cap hit this year is literally like nine million dollars. Like it's ridiculous because they did that crazy restructure. He's only gonna c he's not gonna cost hardly anything for his level of talent for the next like three years, essentially. Like for pretty much what's left of his career, he's not gonna cost the team a massive cap hit. Um, and I just think it it makes like to me, he was worth three first round picks and then some. And so the fact that they, yeah, Jared Verse, obviously a great player. Um, and I feel bad for that guy because he went from sunny LA hopes of being in the Super Bowl to Cleveland.
SPEAKER_02So I think I think Jared Verse is from like Dayton.
SPEAKER_01If I read that, like I mean, I don't know if I don't know if he cares. But no, I I I still think that it's a a steal in the favor of the Rams. Like they gave up a lot, but I still think they should have could have given up more to get him, like because Garrett's worth that.
SPEAKER_02Sure. I I actually think it was a really good trade on both teams' part. Like I think it worked in it worked to accomplish goals that both of these teams had. I mean, that's why most trades happen in the NFL. Yeah, because it accomplishes everybody's goals.
SPEAKER_01And did you see Aaron Alman? Yes.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna ask you if you're not.
SPEAKER_01Have you seen videos of him since he's retired? No. He's like more fit than he ever was. He's that's just all he does is just sit and work out now. Like he's he's insane how big, and just he's just a he's just one giant muscle. Like he's lit, it's he's a like a six four, three hundred and fifty pound dude with like 10% body fat. It's insane.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I have uh I have seen that.
SPEAKER_01I you put him next to Miles Garrett, they're gonna be nasty, man.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they are. So the Miles Garrett thing is interesting from a fantasy perspective. If you play IDP and Miles Garrett's one of the top, what, four? He's certainly one of the top few defensive players in the yeah in fantasy football. He's a top three lineman for sure, depending on the he was the he was the second, um he was the second defensive player taken. Third. He was the third. Roquan went first, then Aiden Hutchinson, then Oh, I missed Roquan. Okay. So, but yes, he went very, very early. He's a Hall of Fame first ballot caliber player. I I think the one interesting thing about fantasy for him is the Browns are awful on offense. I think part of the reason he broke the sack record, frankly, is because their offense was never on the field and he had so many opportunities to go get sacks because they were always behind. They were always trying to catch up, and they were always on the field. And, you know, in in Cleveland, he had a really good secondary behind him. He's still gonna have a really good secondary. I mean, that the Rams went out and traded for Trent McDuffie not that long ago either. Like there, there are players that are behind him in Los Angeles, and they're going for it. But I do think like the Rams' offense versus Cleveland's offense is a very different thing. The Rams are gonna put up points, and the Rams are going to force other teams to have their offenses off the field for long stretches because Stafford and Puka and Kyron and uh you know, all those guys are just out there doing their thing for extended drives, and all of a sudden it's been seven minutes, and Garrett hasn't had to be on the field of game time. So I I think, you know, I his raw counting numbers I expect to come down this year, but I do think his efficiency probably gets better in Los Angeles. And like you said, I the way I view him is probably within that two-year window, that's what they're looking to do. I I think Jared Verse, uh, you know, everything I've read from in the news of him is that he's excited to be in Cleveland. He wants to make his own name for himself there. So I'm kind of hoping, you know, as a Jared Verse owner, I'm hoping that he takes this as like, I am going to make this team my own, and I want to become basically what Miles Garrett has has been there for so long. And he's what, six years younger, five years younger. Um, he's 25. Miles Garrett will be, I think he'll be 31 by the time the season starts, or it's close to that. So um yeah, I do think overall it was a good trade, uh, especially from a from a fantasy perspective, there. All right. So we talked some signings, uh, we talked some extensions. Let's talk about our draft itself. So, Matt, why don't you remind folks just quickly like what is the League of Boom, and then we'll we'll jump into the draft here a little bit.
SPEAKER_01Yep. So the League of Boom is our um IDP, or I guess your IDP brain child. I'll give you the credit for that. Um, it came out of because our normal dynasty league that we're in, um, we wanted to start adding IDP. It did not pass, and so we just decided let's just start our own. And so we've got a few guys from that league, or I think it's just four of us from that league, um that yeah, that were in there um that came over here to the IDP one. And then I've got like a few other guys that um that I know like through work and and other stuff, and then um that we have like a couple kind of second-level connections, I guess, of friends of friends of other guys in the league, think a few of those guys. Um, but really it's it is meant to be just a full-on, you like to call it the everything beta league. It just has everything. It's your normal league with PPR, but then it's super flex, um, half point tight end premium, as well as IDP. And so it's really our first venture into doing IDP. Um, and I am super excited for it. Um like really, really, the more and more I think about it, I just I cannot wait to start doing ID scoring and everything uh this fall.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I am as well. I think it'll be really fun. Uh I I think you and I might be doing some of the same things here in the background, actually. Now that I look at probably. Uh so uh but so all right, so prep on the fly. Do what?
SPEAKER_01Prep on the fly.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that is not what I thought you were doing. I'll I'll ask you about it later. We'll we'll see. Oh, okay. All right. So so uh so we had like Matt said, the the everything bagel of a league, 12 teams, 35 rounds. So this league went. I I'm very excited about this one too. I I'm more excited to just like see the first week of like what the heck is the scoring gonna even look like in this thing?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because I just I'm really it'll be interesting to me to see if guys just like go, oh crap, that's how IDP works. Well, I'm screwed, or like I've got a plethora of talent now. Like, I don't know. It'll be really interesting to see and watch what happens after those first like week or two and see if we get any more trades or just like waivers going crazy, anything like that. I will say this too. Um, with with with Dynasty, the one of the big important things is is trades, right? Like that's how you keep everything active, you keep the league alive, you want to have trades. Um, that's how you know if you have a good league, if it's a lot of active trade, like a lot of active trading going on. And sometimes I think with our game of end zones, it was actually you know, it was a lot of first-time dynasty guys in that league. And so there wasn't a ton of trading, if I remember correctly, it's a few years ago. There were some, but not a ton. But I was actually really surprised because even I think we talked about it last time, even leading up to the league, we had a few trades of just like startup picks, but then during the draft, we had quite a few trades. Because if you look at it, hardly any team kept all of their picks, um, like just their normal picks and just drafted straight down. I think we had we did have a few.
SPEAKER_02Todd did.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Todd did, J Murr did. Let's see, Jimmy, Dan, show me more did Raider Dad did. Yeah, so there was about I think there were five.
SPEAKER_02So there's a handful, but but like you said, the teams that traded, there were lots of trades. Holy cow. There were a couple teams that like had about half their picks were theirs, and half of theirs were somebody else's. Um, yeah, which is fun, like like you said, that's that's just fun to to kind of see. Uh, and it hopefully it sets the tone for the league to go. So obviously, we're not gonna review. I I don't even know what the math would be 12 by 35 rounds, so what, three, 400 players? We're not gonna review 400 picks here at all.
SPEAKER_01But what uh 420. Hey, 420.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and this draft and this episode is being recorded on 6'7, by the way, too. So there you go.
SPEAKER_01Ah, 6'7. I don't know, right?
SPEAKER_02You need a drop for that or something. What drop would I even have for that?
SPEAKER_01No, no, I'm sure there's some kid on TikTok going 6'7.
SPEAKER_02You could be the kid on TikTok going 6'7. How about that? Matt's the TikTok kid. So uh, do you see any any picks in particular in the first, let's say first 10 rounds? Because honestly, after that, it's like uh probably maybe I don't know. But first 10 rounds, any picks stand out as just really solid steals, or on the flip side, any picks that are just like yikes. I don't know what the heck this person was thinking. Uh, and I don't I don't mind jumping in here. One of them. This this is a personal feeling of mine. There, there are two picks that I look at that I I just frankly, it's a dynasty startup, and I really don't like them.
SPEAKER_01Um I as I can probably guarantee I bought out one of them at least.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Okay, so round eight, we've got Devontae Adams going in the middle of round eight. Devontae Adams is older than dirt. No, he's he's 33. But I mean, Devontae Adams was last year a top 10 wide receiver. I've had people who have been trying to trade me Devontae Adams in the recent history that are telling me that I'm crazy for viewing him the way that I am. Maybe I am. Maybe Devontae Adams has got another year or two in him and he's gonna be really great. And and honestly, the Rams offense, again, like could be awesome. I don't want anything to do with Devontae Adams in a dynasty startup right now. If I if I'm playing for the right year right now, I can do that without taking a 33-year-old wide receiver. And if I'm playing for the three to five-year window or even the five plus year window, I absolutely don't want this player. So, what's the value of taking this guy? Why not let somebody else take him on their dynasty roster? You can take a different player that may outproduce Devontae Adams, frankly, because at some point, you know, we saw this with Julio, we saw this with some wide receivers that are at Devante levels at Devonta Adams level for their career. That when it goes, it all goes and it goes all at once. Like there is not a middle ground between you're really, really, really good and have had an awesome career, and wow, how slow and bad was that. And I think I'm not saying that I expect that at the very beginning of this year. And Devontae Adams, maybe he does have more staying power because his type of game is not an outrun you. He's not Julio, he's not gonna outrun you in the way that Julio would just outrun people down the field. He's more of a control, he's gonna catch stuff with on in the 20s. He's not gonna catch stuff between the 20s. And so if he's just a possession guy that's gonna go catch a bunch of touchdowns, maybe he salvages a good season again this year by catching another double-digit touchdown season. I don't know. But do I want to take the chance on that? That like that's the upside, and I'm gonna take him even round eight. Like, again, it's not the earliest pick in the world, but the next couple of wide receivers that went after him. Uh, Brian Thomas Jr. goes at 909. That's the next wide receiver off the board after Devontae Adams. Who would you rather have in a dynasty startup? Brian Thomas, who great rookie season, terrible last year, or Devontae Adams, who's 33.
SPEAKER_01Um, I'd probably go with whatever running back is available. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02I mean, that's and that's and that's the point. And that's the point. Michael Wilson goes after Brian Thomas, Mikhaye Lemon, Marv Harrison. What do you want those guys or do you want Devontae Adams in a dynasty startup?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, I mean, I I get you. It's it's all pretty fair points. I mean, but when you look at look at the guy he picked right before that is Mike Evans. Like it's he's clearly in he's a lot of his assets are old, and we're gonna talk like I'll just go to it. One of mine that I put as one of the worst picks, um, that I was like just a really big head scratcher was round two, the same guy. Uh it's it's my buddy Thomas. I love him, great dude, but I don't know what he was thinking because he um he took Saquon um in the second round, um, the 208. There was still the these are the next five, no, sorry, the next four running backs that went off the board. Ashton Genty, James Cook, Kenneth Walker, and Jeremiah Love. Um, and then even after that, it was Chase Brown, um, who we didn't go until the fourth round. So, I mean, like it's there is just a lot of really good options that were behind. And I just think to me, it became clear that Safequan lost a step last year. Like he was like top 15, but he got drafted as the what seventh? One, two, three, four, five, six, yeah, seventh running back off the board. That feels really rich. And in a dynasty startup, like that's and just and the fact that Genty went a few picks after him, and Thomas is a Raiders fan, he is a massive Raiders fan. And the fact that he didn't get Genty, that just that I couldn't, I was shocked when that when that pick happened.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. The other ones, so I I mentioned two that kind of in the same vein. Part of it is is just a personal thing. I am not a big Jamison Williams fan. Like, I have never owned him, but I've watched plenty of the the Lions because I'm a Amon Ra owner in a couple of leagues, so I watched them a lot. And J Mo like is not a player I ever really want to own. Because I if this was a best ball league, sure, like choos your shot because he's gonna have those games where he blows up. But like everything else, like I I wouldn't trust him week to week. I have no clue when I'm gonna start him when or when I'm not. So he was the other wide receiver on the running back front. The two that stuck out to me the most, I I'll say CMC at 110. Like that, that's my buddy that came into the league that took CMC as his first round pick. And yes, uh, yep, I thought about that one too. I think he's uh I mean, I think he is as an owner, he is going for it right now, um, just based on the team he put together. But CMC is oh man. When do you think he could have waited if he really wanted to take CMC? You think he could wait until what the third round? Maybe? I don't know if he necessarily lasts that long, but but in a dynasty startup, I bet he was at a climate.
SPEAKER_01But uh wait until the third. I'm doing a dynasty startup right now. Um, for like another one. And CMC did not go until pick 411.
SPEAKER_02And is that uh dynasty startup that's super flex? Yep.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so yeah, so it's not IDP, not that that would really matter. But that didn't matter at this point, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So that's something it's like you you could you could you might be a CMC believer this year and really want him on your team, and that's great. You could have waited a long time, you know. You take take take Lamar at that pick, and then that team would you rather have Lamar and CMC or CMC and Mahomes?
SPEAKER_01Oh, Lamar and CMC.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly. And we're saying you could have done either because you could have just swapped your first round pick and your third round pick. So yeah, that one doesn't make sense. The other one that I'm I like the it's an interesting pick because it's not one I typically see, but also it feels rich. It might just be somebody calling their shot is at 107 taking Hampton. So Omarion Hampton is the third running back off the board in our dynasty startup draft at 107. I again I I like Hampton. Um, he is a a young player on an ascending offense with a play caller that we think is gonna make him even better. And you know, that that could be a hey, I'm gonna call my shot because like I don't think he's coming back to me. I really want him on this team, I want him for the force of the bill future, and so I'm gonna take him a 107. And if that's the idea here, like man, all power to you, you know. But that feels really, really rich to me. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01No, I agree. I I would not have done it. Um, I have like I agree with what everything that you said and what the uh ceiling and what we hope for Hampton is. Um, I still have a lot of like I I don't think he's gonna be the next Devon HN. I just don't like I it's it's setting up, maybe, but I mean, dude, last year, who was it that they had Kamani Vidal? That like when he played, he looked good. Like, I don't know, like not that Hampton, like I do think that Hampton's gonna be the one, but he might be the one A in a A B and C committee.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and they brought and they brought in uh uh Keaton Mitchell, too, right? So like they've got a couple of guys that they like.
SPEAKER_01I think that like I get it. I don't know, I will say this, I don't know if Hampton would have been there at the 2-6. Um but at the same time, like, yeah, like I'd prefer H Hand because you at least know he's the guy, you know he's gonna be a bell cow. I'd prefer Jonathan Taylor, I mean Gentsy, Love, Hook. I would prefer all those guys over Hampton right now. But especially not in the like in the first, I would have like he could have had Jane Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Caleb Williams. Um, he could have, you know, JSN, you know, he could have had a top-tier wide receiver. Like, I yeah, I I agree, but I I think I do think the McCaffrey and the Barkley picks were a whole lot worse.
SPEAKER_02Yep. So on the flip side, we've spent most of our time talking about picks we hated, or or just like scratch our head at. I'll say it that way. That's a nicer way of saying it. So which picks, which picks do you really like, though, looking at the draft board now? I I've got one that stood out to me. So I tried to stay away from the top couple rounds just because they're they're chock full of good picks. Um, I think Tre Trevor Lawrence at 501. Um, so Trevor Lawrence comes off the board as let's see, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, fifteen, sixteen. He's the 16th quarterback off the board, it looks like. Um, he goes after Jordan Love, Bo Nicks, Brock Purdy, Dak, and then there's a little hole, and then Trevor Lawrence pops up. And then that's when you get into the Fernando Mendoza and Cam Ward tier pretty quickly after that. Jared Goff is also a decent pick that's down there, too. But I I really like Trevor Lawrence going at 501.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's not bad. And it's also it's even better when you look at the fact that it's his QB2. Um so he already has Caleb Williams. So that that's gonna be pretty big. Um, I do agree. I I I do think that I probably would have taken Lawrence over um definitely over Baker, yeah, probably over Love myself. Um, maybe over Prescott. I do think that Prescott has a much higher ceiling, probably for the and you know, Prescott's only like 35, 36, but you know, we're still talking about a 10-year difference with Lawrence.
SPEAKER_02So Dak is 32, by the way.
SPEAKER_01Oh, is he only 32? Yes, thank you. Thank you, Jesus.
SPEAKER_02Dak is 32, Trevor Lawrence is 26.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. So uh yeah, I mean, and even potentially over Purdy, I guess it just really depends on how you feel about was because the first half of the year last year was not great, but the second year, the second half was awesome. So is it did the schedule just get easier? Is it because they finally figured something out? Um, like what what which one is gonna be the Trevor Lawrence um with Liam Cohen, you know, this year? Like that that kind of tells me kind of you know where how you think that Lawrence pick is gonna be. Yeah. Okay, so for me, yeah. So for me, I had two that I called out. Now I'm being a little bit picky. Um well, in terms of like a little bit, I'm picking at nits here in in terms of like why I'm I'm picking some of these as good ones. Um, but actually both of them, I did not set out to do this, but both of them ended up two that to me are giving both of us flowers here. Um, so the first one, the first one that I really liked. That's my own pick was your pick with with Brock Bowers. Um, when you put took him at the 304.
SPEAKER_02The fact that I gotta be honest, I couldn't believe he was still there. I was no, that's what I'm that's why I'm saying it was a good pick.
SPEAKER_01It was such a good value.
SPEAKER_02I mocked this this league in particular all summer. And I know mocks are like you can throw them out there. Just people are gonna do dumb, people do dumb stuff, and that's fine. Like people didn't want to do their own thing and they've got their own ideas. I I had Brock Bowers falling in that spot basically every time. And actually, he he was even a little further down the board than that. And I always I think I take him over McBride every time, especially in a dynasty. Yeah, so I thought I'm gonna do this in these mocks. I love the way it ends up looking, but there's somebody's gonna do this, like somebody's gonna take him in the second or do something out there. It's tight end premium. They obviously are gonna do something like that, and then sure enough, it didn't happen.
SPEAKER_01Well, so it's really funny you say that because in all of my mocks, I took I myself was taking Bowers. So I I had I had done a trade, I had moved out of my first round, I had the 111, I moved back, picked up another pick, a couple picks, and I had picked up the I had the 202 and the 204. So in all of my mocks, I never had any of the top quarterbacks available at the 202. So I would take a top wide receiver with the 202, and then Bowers with the 204. That was like my thing, and I was that's what I was planning on doing. And then because I was able to get the pick that I'm gonna put as my second big value pick, which was my own, at the 202 with Joe Burrow. Yeah, I'll pat myself on the back there. Uh, the fact that He fell all the way to the 202, which is a dude who, in my opinion, is probably the number three to five quarterback in Dynasty in Superflex, is ridiculous. Like, I know he's got crazy injury things, but like he's healthy now. And it seems like I don't know. Like, I just I cannot believe he fell that far. But because he fell there, it allowed me to take him, and then I took a wide receiver with my next pick, hoping that Bowers would would fall to the third, knowing that he probably wouldn't have. And then you got him, but then I was able to get I still got my tight end in the at the end of the third and 311, um, who I like as well. But yeah, it was yeah, that it's kind of crazy how those two picks were I guess connect.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't have expected Bowers to go that early, but honestly, again, crazy things happen in these drafts.
SPEAKER_01And so that's tight end premium. They have no wide receiver, like it is it, you know, and it's yeah, I like the QB kubiak offense. It's it's gonna be it, it'll be interesting to see what happens there.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but I think it's a really good pick. I like that one. I like your borough pick too. I I uh he kept falling, and I was like, is something that that's when I started checking the news. Like, did I miss something? Am I just going nuts here?
SPEAKER_01I think the guys just go, I think because like like look at it this way you're at the 106 and it's dynasty super flex, and you're at the 106, and Puka and JSN are on the board. Like, it's just it like that's hard to pass up over Ting Danger and Lamar Jackson.
SPEAKER_02This didn't I don't think our league functioned as an as a typical super flex in the draft. I mean, the the quarterbacks definitely spread out a little bit more. I think the pick that I like the most as I look across the board is another third rounder. So you mentioned 304 Bowers goes. I look at 308 and seeing Jeremiah Love, who is a generational, supposedly generational talent. Um I think the right type of team has to take him because I don't see him as a piece for like a he might be a piece for uh for a contender right here, right now, but I see him more as like a contender next year type pick. Um but the team that took him, like, man, uh I I think that's a scary team. And so yeah, getting Jeremiah Love as your second running back in the third round after everything, you know, that was supposed to be who he was, uh like I I think that's a hard pick to pass up as a really solid one here.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, yeah. There I think they're so the two that I sorry, there's two more that I wanted to put that I like to like. Now they were both in the first round, but it it's similar to the Burrow thing. So the 111, which is funny because I that's what I traded away, and I in none of my mocks was this guy ever available at the 111, or I wouldn't have traded. I mean, it ended up working out for me, but was he it was uh my buddy Jeremy, he took the he took Lamar Jackson. Lamar falling all the way to the 111 is insane to me in a super flex. In my opinion, like he is very clearly top five. I think he's number two in quite in QBs, and and it just uh it that's my personal opinion. I'm just not as high on May. And you know, with Daniels, I mean I keep I understand Daniels. I could give you Daniels, he's a younger version of Lamar, I guess. You kind of look at it that way, but Lamar is just insane. So to get him in a super flex at the 111 um as your first QB is awesome. But then I'm also just gonna throw out uh getting Josh Allen at the with 102, that's insane. Like it is a dynasty superflex. How are you drafting, like, how do you have the 101 and not take Josh Allen? I get it, it's like B. John, you know, what you make a choice, but it's just you're right. Like, well, in some of the super flex stuff that I've seen, like I think that conventional wisdom, as in like the mock drafts and the rankings and all of that, have a lot of quarterbacks going in the first couple rounds. But in actual in most of my super flex drafts that I've been in, it is it the quarterbacks get spaced out like this. So there are opportunities. It's just hard to mock and to practice for that. But it it just it continuously show showcases itself over and over and over again that in superflex, if you don't have two legit starting QBs, you're just chasing points every week. And it it's and maybe that gets a little bit different with IDP because you can get a lot of points similar to that if you draft good on defense. But man, you just it it just blows my mind. Like, I like a lot of what Dalen did um with his picks, but the fact that who is his his so he did get Jaden Daniels, but Malik Willis, like I mean, who knows what Malik Willis is gonna be? Um, and like he could have had Josh Allen and Jaden Daniels, like how insane would that have been in a super flex? Like, that's that's insane. That could have been 50 points a week right there. Easy.
SPEAKER_02So what so speaking of that, then what'd you what do you think of my team? Since you hate since you hate the one quarterback strategy so much. We talked about it. We talked about it before for for anybody that's listening. We we were chatting before the show, and Matt was giving me a hard time because my I have I have one bona fide like starting quarterback, and I have five bench bench option second quarterbacks that none of which might be starting week one.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think that you are really lucky that you have a good defense, and in our IDP scoring, I think you can definitely make up a lot of points there. Um, and I love, I mean, you took Jefferson with the 209, and we already talked about your Bowers in the third. Like, I think those are good picks. Wilson, I love Garrett Wilson as a player. I I who knows what Tyrod is anymore at this point in his career. So Gino or Gino. Um Gino, they're the same, they're the same person as the Chief. You can't say that. What are you talking about? They're quarterbacks. That's what you mean. Yeah, no, they're the same player at this point in their life. They're the same in terms of quarterback and what they produce in fantasy. That's what I meant. Yep. But like if they if yeah, like if if Gino is Gino from Seattle as opposed to Gino from Las Vegas, then you're you're sitting pretty. Um, but I like your defense. I do like your defense a lot, but it'll just yeah, I do think it's it's a little worrisome to me for your yeah, you have six quarterbacks, five of which may not start and potentially may not ever start ever again in the NFL, depending on who they are.
SPEAKER_02Uh I'm I'm tanking for uh Arch. Tank for Arch. Tank for Arch. There you go.
SPEAKER_01There you go. I I do think you'll be okay, though, with um I do think Tua's gonna win that job. I do. And he'll probably be your, but you don't have a third. Unless, I mean, you never know if Kyler gets hurt, or you have a lot of like if Mike Jones, if you're gonna be able to do it. If Kyler gets hurt, you'll be crazy.
SPEAKER_02Or Brock Purdy gets hurt. Oh, crazy, that's never happened, or Pat Mahomes gets hurt. Oh, crazy, that's never happened.
SPEAKER_01Because you have Justin Jefferson, so if Kyler gets hurt, you'll look into JJ McCarthy. Justin Jefferson's from one JJ for the other, basically.
SPEAKER_02My gosh, that would be awful. I I really need Mac Jones to get traded. That's what I need. Like Mac Jones just go somewhere else. Ooh, Mac Jones to the Texans. Let's see Mac Jones be a Texan.
SPEAKER_01That would be a really good matchup, or like a really good pairing, I think.
SPEAKER_02I mean, goodness. You remember the playoffs, how bad CJ Stroud was?
SPEAKER_01Yes. Multiple picks per game. He has been that bad for like after pretty much after his rookie year. His rookie season. Like he's just been that bad.
SPEAKER_02He's been the Brian Thomas of quarterbacks.
SPEAKER_01Well, he's been. I was listening to um the Locked on Dynasty podcast with those guys. They're really good. Um, shout out to them. And they were talking a lot about they don't listen to this show.
SPEAKER_02You don't need to give them shouts.
SPEAKER_01But whatever, you never know. We never know. Uh maybe they have a uh cousin that lives in the Philippines that's listening to the show. Uh but we have like they talked a lot about how the the difference in like Deshaun Watson when he had Will Fuller versus since he has not had Will Fuller, um, just in terms of like what he can produce in fantasy, has been ridiculous. And CJ Stroud has like the exact same type of thing with Tank Dell. Yeah, that's and so if if Tank Dell comes back, and which is again a big i if because uh his injury was so nasty. Um if he comes back and is remotely close to what he was, then CJ Stroud may have a point or may have a chance this year, but goodness, I just I don't see it, man. I think there's a reason that they haven't they haven't um they haven't like as he's he's still on his rookie deal, isn't he?
SPEAKER_02CJ Stroud, he's gotta be. He's only been in the league, what, three or four years?
SPEAKER_01I think yeah, that's what it is. Like this is his fourth season, and they haven't extended him or they haven't done picked up his fifth-year option yet, because they haven't decided like that's never a good sign when you're a good thing. That's not a good year. Oh, he's not a good sign.
SPEAKER_02If Mac Jones goes to Texas, not saying this is gonna happen, like we have any inside knowledge, but like if that were to happen, I am gonna be ecstatic about you would be you would be watching the greatest thing ever. Not luck, skill into it, Matt. Skill, skill, yes, yeah, skill. All right, so let's let's jump ahead a little bit. We've got so many things that we could talk about, but I want to get to a couple of them for sure, and we've already gone a little bit longer. That's all right. Uh, so looking at the rosters, and you didn't get this far in your notes, so I know you haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but let's talk about teams that you think are building for the three different horizons, right? Who are the like, I'm gonna go for it right here, right now? Who are the I'm gonna go forward in three to five years, uh, but I'm probably getting a top pick this year in order to go forward in three years to five years. And then who is stuck in the in-between world of like, I didn't really know, so I kind of built I could win this year if I luck into it, but I also could win in five years, or I could just not win at all. Like, and I'm kind of somewhere in the middle. Um, I don't mind going first. One of them I think is less about the draft, I would honestly say, and more about what he's done since then.
SPEAKER_01Um I think we're gonna talk about the same person.
SPEAKER_02So I had one that popped in my mind. Here's here's Todd, good friend of the show. Great, oh, I would say great friend of the show, Todd. He hasn't nicknamed all 35 of his players yet. Uh, actually, he's at 38 because of his IR spots, but I don't know uh what he's got. It's like he's got a life or something, right? I know, based on our league activity, that Todd thinks he's going for it for sure, in the sense that he has made multiple post-draft trades. Uh, he has traded to acquire uh Travis Hunter. What do you remember off the top of your head what he traded to get Travis Hunter? There's a couple of picks, I know that for sure.
SPEAKER_01Was it a first or a second? I know he's traded both of his first and second for the next couple of years for both years.
SPEAKER_02Um he he traded away his first round 2027 pick straight up for Travis Hunter. So that was his first trade, and his comment in the chat directly before this was quote, I'm ready to win now. So part of the reason I think he's going for right now is because he said, I'm trying to win now. Yes, he also made a trade not that long afterwards where he sent away his 2028 first as well as his 2027 second for Carson Sweissinger, who is one of the top, you know, uh linebackers in the NFL as well.
SPEAKER_01So Todd has that one may not be, I actually didn't think that one was a bad trade because it was a 28 first, not the 27 first, and Carson Schwessinger, whatever, is pretty much the like top young linebacker in the league. So, like, and and I do think that with IDP linebackers, their scoring is a whole lot better. Um, it's a lot more akin to like a quarterback type scoring, or it can be when you have good ones, um, as opposed to like DBs or even defensive linemen. And so I that one is not a terrible trade, but yeah, I know what he was thinking with the Travis Hunter trade. It is IDP, but still like, I don't know, man. Like, I just I think that trade will that trade will only hit if Hunter really does play a bunch of wide receiver.
SPEAKER_02Well, so so like I said, I think Todd in his mind is going for it because he's verbally said on the message boards, I want to win now. And looking at his team, he got Josh Allen at 102. You've already talked about that pick. He's got Kyler at 811. I really like the Kyler pick. Kyler was one that I was looking at myself around that time and just didn't end up falling to me. So that's okay. Um, he has other pieces on his team where I'm like, I don't know if this is sub-win now team. Um, Drake London just got extended, so great pick there. Malik Neighbors, I'm getting more and more concerned about through the offseason about how this year Malik Neighbors is gonna look, especially early this season, Malik Neighbors. Um, you know, he's he he took a top defensive player at Nadin Hutchinson at 7-Eleven, um, and then waited a really long time to start going with some of his other players, and even some of his later round choices on the defensive side, like are guys that don't have teams right now. Uh like Devin White. Bobby O'Karake, Devin White, neither of those are his third and fourth defensive players that he took. Um, so again, he he's got a lot of good, could hit type players. I really like Rashad White at 21, round 21. Um, you know, Zachariah Branch later in the draft. Uh, he doesn't have a third quarterback, which again, not not the biggest issue in the world, but I think there's a lot of things that have to hit right for this to be a contender. And I see this as being like, I don't know if this is the top one or two teams in the league. I could see this as being somewhere between like three and five of a team. Um, I agree.
SPEAKER_01I I I think it's a question of well, I think it goes back to the initial question is how are they not necessarily what will happen, but how are they positioning themselves? Todd is positioning himself as a win now team. He's trying to do that. And like a lot of what you're saying is how I also feel about uh Thomas, who we've kind of talked about a little bit with his picks earlier, is because he's gone very old, old because he's got he's got Jamar Chase, great pick, fine. What you know, best receiver in the league. But then Barkley in the second, um, he took Mike Evans in the seventh, Devontae Adams in the eighth, McLaurin in the twelfth. I mean, right there, three out of your four starting wide receivers are 30 or older. You know, it's I I don't know what they're gonna do. He's got Stafford, Prescott, and Mayfield, who are all is Mayfield 30 yet? Yeah, he's 31. So they're all over 32. So his average age of his team is probably 30 um at this point. And you know, with Barkley, he's got trying so like he's got some good pieces, and but like he's gonna hit this year, because if he doesn't hit this year, like I could see it to where it's just gonna blow up in his face, and because those are not super tradable assets either. Because even if like Devontae, like even if they hit, who's gonna trade anything crazy for Devontae Adams or Mike Evans or Saquon Barkley? Like the only thing that he's got that could really probably get some stuff is Jamar Chase. Yeah, like it's just you know, it is what it is.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's a fine team that could be. He's got Stefan Diggs, too. He he he could compete. There's two other teams that stood out to me as like going for it this year, and it's surely because of the makeup of the team. Show me more takes Gibbs, Justin Herbert is their top quarterback, and then they go Pickens and AJ Brown and uh uh Derrick Henry. If if you take Derrick Henry, uh you might get him at a good discount there still, but you're if you're taking Derrick Henry, you're probably going for it, right? Yeah, um, Miles Garrett is also on this team, so there's some guys that are really, really good um that that this team has, but not a lot of youth, not a lot of tradable assets, and that may be totally fine. Um, Michael Pittman in the 20th round, like that's a great pick as a guy who could be your third wide receiver. I think um my friend Joseph also, the the Christian McCaffrey owner, I think is also going for it this year, right? Pat Mahomes, uh Jordan Love um Jordan Love, Jordan Love, yes, goodness. Jordan Love, Christian McCaffrey, um Amin Ra, Devontae Smith, Laporta, Goff. Um, the defense is a little bit suspect to me. It's very 49er heavy, it looked like, honestly, which is a weird thing to say, but um, but they're also top guys, too. So so I think that's a team that is trying to go for it this year. Now, again, the thing about trying to go for it this year and looking at the draft board is like we haven't seen how this league scores. And so I think the first three to five weeks of this coming season are gonna be pivotal for anybody that's in this any owner in this league of trying to figure out what is the scoring actually gonna shake out like? Like you and I play each other in the first week. I can look at our players all I want to and kind of like look position by position where I think I've got you, where you've where I think you've got me. But at the end of the day, like I have no I I've looked at player by player what it might be like. And I think there's as good a chance that like I think what do you think a an average weekly winning score is gonna run in this type of league? Do you I I'm guessing it's probably somewhere close to 400. Like three three fifty three fifty to four hundred.
SPEAKER_01Because I think about other leagues that we're in, and one uh one going like a hundred below that, because like I like it's it's really of yeah, like we've got in the in the game of end zones, which has about the same offensive players, but not not super flex, you know, it's scoring at an average weekly winner is probably about 170. Exactly. Um now you'll get boom weeks up to like 200, but like I I was going with like 250 to 300 is kind of what I was thinking. So I think we'll see we'll see guys hit 400, I think, this year, but I don't think it's gonna be every week.
SPEAKER_02So 170 as a median plus super flex. So bump up your quarterback scoring on that last player. So maybe you get to 180 as an average, right? And then take that, and and you, as the commissioner, set up rules where our defensive players mirror the offensive players, or at least the scoring and the roster size and makeup is trying to mirror. So if you just want to go off of that, 180 times two is 360 right there. So like I think we're I think we're very easily gonna get into the th mid to high 300s, if not touching 400 on a week to work.
SPEAKER_01I don't it mirrors in terms of how they can score, but it's not like we don't have as many the consensus players as we do offensive players. Like we only you only have eight defensive players, and you've got we have like 10 offensive players, so there's still a little bit there. Um so that's why I think I'd probably go a little bit less than what you're saying, but yeah, I mean it's very fair. We could definitely be over 300 every week.
SPEAKER_02So we have nine nine offensive players, ten, uh sorry, eight defensive players. So we're it's pretty close. But anyway, all that to being said, so we've got some teams that we think are going for right now. Who are the teams that you're like five years from now? I'm gonna hate playing this guy. Um I I look at I look at a couple. Um, I think there are where was the team I was just looking at.
SPEAKER_01So there's one, there's one that really comes to my mind when I when I when I think of that, and I actually think that he's gonna be pretty good. It's not gonna take five years. Like it's going to be I think it's probably the same team I'm looking at right now. Yeah, it's not gonna be necessarily this year, but like he's not gonna be an easy out this year, but it it's gonna be, you know, in two years, three years from now, he's gonna be really good. It's Dalen. He got his his team is ridiculous. Um, I he clearly had a method to where he was going, I'm going with as many of the top tier young players as I can. can because he got B. John, Genty, Jaden Daniels, Tet, uh, Makai, Tyson, Marvin Harrison, Kyle Pitts. Well, he's not that young, but um like yeah, I mean it's but it's still like it he got he got a lot of he basically was like oh you're 25 you can't be on my team that that seems to be kind of like his his he was age discrimination was basically what his thing is that's what we need to give this that's his uh superlative for the years age discrimination there you go he's gonna get sued by the AARP I I actually think the well I don't know if he's the oldest player on this team I was gonna say something and like I'm not a hundred percent sure Chico Conkoy and Patrick Queen might be two of his oldest players and they are 26. Yeah I mean I haven't found anybody that Derek Brown's 28 Brown's 28 yeah um but I don't know man like he yes you're right Isaiah Pacheco is 27 so he's he's close Nick Landman we've got Watson who's 30 yeah still like Malik Willis might be up there too he's 27 I do think it's funny that he did all that and then he drafted Caleb Johnson like nah dude can't play yeah you just hate you hate after last year hate so hard yeah Dalen was certainly one Dalen was one that I looked at I think the the Bubinator team was the other one that I think is potentially like could be dangerous right now is possibly building for the future too I think generally speaking like teams that move around a lot are teams that I tend to look at as like you're probably not building for right now you're probably picking up players for my only thing with him is that in the future like in a couple years where's James Cook going to be what's Nico Collins going to be like Chris Olave is even going to be in the league so that's that's why I think is he going to be like he's yeah he's that's why I think I think this could be a team you're you're not wrong but I think he's young in the right places right like he's young at defensive back he's young at places where it's hard to be young at his quarterbacks aren't old um with Caleb and Lawrence you got Caleb Williams that's a great pick.
SPEAKER_02So I I think like if I think about rookie drafts and again what do I know about IDP super flex rookie drafts is not much um especially with this being the first time I've done an IDP draft at all. So I have no clue how it's going to look year to year in rookie drafts. But the one thing I do know about fantasy with offensive players in rookie drafts is what I feel is that the easiest position to replenish at is wide receiver through rookie drafts because there's the most of them and I I feel like in this day and age of the NFL you can find the ones that are going to hit. So if you're gonna take wide receivers that are a little bit older you know even if you don't win this year you can replenish those guys as they start rolling off in the draft it's a lot harder to replenish some of these other spots where you know Caleb Downs is not the type of guy that just rolls around every year. And I know you are a Cowboys fan so you'd love Caleb Downs going to to Dallas but also like he was it was a little rich for your blood in this draft to go in the eighth round I was looking at him too I was definitely not looking at him that early we didn't talk about him but he is a guy that I had earmarked as kind of a head scratcher in terms of a pick like yes I think he's gonna be great but the DB position in and of by itself in our scoring is not really like anything outstanding.
SPEAKER_01It's no it's it's the weakest of the three for sure and the fact that he is the first DB off the board and it was in round eight with lots of really good linebackers left um and even good defensive linemen left like that that one TJ Watt goes two two picks later. Yeah that's TJ Watt yep so like I think I think he'll be a good pick but like like Caleb Downs like this the DB position and you know could be wrong. And if I'm wrong then I'm gonna be ecstatic as a Cowboys fan but like he's not gonna be scoring you 30 points a game uh a week in in fantasy he's just not it's just yeah he's they don't get that many tackles that many you know sacks fumble recoveries all that kind of stuff it just doesn't happen.
SPEAKER_02So here's my last question for you draft recap wise you I kind of shared throughout like what my thinking was of going through my draft what looking at your team looking at your draft what was your strategy going in and did you execute on what you wanted to do in the draft and and if so like what what do you think your time horizon is Matt yeah I mean so I I don't usually go in with a hardcore strategy of I'm going to do this or I'm gonna do that.
SPEAKER_01I lean if anything I lean hero RB unless I can get one of the top couple guys which is just rare because I just usually don't have you know I'm usually not lucky enough to get one of the top couple picks in the first round. And so I usually go hero RB or even a little bit of zero RB um but I I tend to like to just let the the board kind of fall to me. I do really like my team um I try to I I think I focused on I wanted to get good quarterbacks um really wanted to get a top tier dude um was lucked into Joe Burl who's a top five guy in my opinion um and then kind of took my shot with a couple younger guys who I think have some upside when in Cam Ward and Bryce Young um and then I I just wanted to get like some top tier dudes at the different positions and then I honestly I was really focused on defense of really trying to be I want to get really like I really like my team on defense. I think I have I think I have one of the strongest linebacking cores in the league um with Sonny Styles Jack Campbell um Alex Highsmith David Bailey who I'm surprised they consider a linebacker but you know he was the number two pick in the draft this past year but having him and Will Anderson like I just I think it's I think I have good and then it was just kind of whatever I could get really at that point after that um with just kind of what's what's available um with Casey Conception Jordan Addison. Like I think I've had good I think my hope is is that my defense in terms of points will help kind of offset maybe some of the flex on my side um but while still like having like like I'm not gonna stress about tight end and tight end premium. I'm not gonna stress about this QB2 and super flex. Like I I think I'm gonna be solid with that stuff. And then just taking some shots on guys. Like I lucked into you know from last season I love Judkins. I lucked into getting Judkins in the sixth um as my RB1 and then and then Jadarian price after that like they're not neither one of them are going to be like anything insane but they're not nearly as bad as the running backs that I'm starting in our in our other dynasty league.
SPEAKER_02Or that I'm starting in this league.
SPEAKER_01Yeah yeah well true uh but yeah so it's just it's I don't know like it it's as far as like strategy goes I I just wanted to walk away with a top tier QB in the first couple rounds and then a one of the top three tight ends really um was was really what I wanted or top three or four tight ends was what I wanted to walk away with. And I did that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah that's good I think for me mine so I don't typically come in with a set strategy either I tend to take you know my first pick I may have like a player or two that I really want to get at that point but after that point all bets are off and I'm gonna take the draft as it comes I I think I I was not expecting this draft to go the way that it did and so I got forced into a strategy that I don't really ever do or try or any I you know I did some some things that I'm like well we'll kind of see how they work out. I didn't make a whole lot of trades which was fine uh I I didn't necessarily felt like I need to but you know I I'm happy with my team overall I ended up going zero RB plus like I don't know if you would consider it hero quarterback but in a super flex it was basically hero quarterback right with like Drake May being my first pick and then waiting until round 14 to take a second quarterback and that being Ty Simpson who is going to be my on my taxi squad to start the year uh and taking Tua about four rounds later. I I think you know the the zero RB ended up I don't know if it worked out for me. I'm actually not super upset with where I ended up you know with taking my two running backs in round 12 I got Chuba and Tony Pollard together. And I don't expect those guys in a dynasty are going to be more than a year uh worth of value at this point. If I get one good year or one decent year out of both of them for relative to what they are I'll be really happy with that. Because again like you were saying you know I think my defense and feeling like my defense is a very strong defense and my wide receiver core being really young my TED actually all of my receivers you know Bowers, Tyler Warren Jefferson Wilson and Carnell Tate together none of those guys is extremely old at this point. So feeling like I've got pass catchers that are going to be set for the next what three to four years probably and feeling really good about those. And then a lot of my top defensive pieces are even really young too barring Max Crosby, you know he's probably he's the oldest one I have here but he's a top player and then you know Cooper and Verse and Arvel Reese, Nicki Manwori after his Super Bowl run, Feyneman, right? Like the one I was really excited about weirdly enough was Aziz Al Shir uh from the Texans. I wanted a piece of their defense just knowing that how good their defense was and I believe he was a defensive captain for them last year. So you know I've got a lot of dart throws here uh and and the good thing the thing I like about dart throws and and knowing that like you don't win your league in the draft but you can certainly use it lose it is I want to walk away in the draft with some guys that are certainly dart throws but they're dart throws that are like black and white right like I don't want gray dart throws. I don't want a dart throw where it's like I don't know like did he actually do maybe it wasn't as bad but like it wasn't a great outcome either I want the guys where it's like it's clear as day like Brandon Iuk isn't going anywhere. He's terrible they're gonna drop you know he's not gonna get signed by anybody because there's a warrant out for his arrest. So you can drop him and move on and that's what I want to be able to do with these guys is drop them and move on with them once the draft ends and so I feel like my team has plenty of that which is which is a good and a bad thing. So anyway I like I said I I think my my goal in most dynasty leagues is not three to five years out it's one to three years. I think I built a team that's competitive enough right now where you know I I'm probably not the top team in the league but am I somewhere between three and five my guess is probably yes maybe um but again time will tell there. So we'll see but I I'm happy enough with with my team especially in some really specific spots there. All right we've been on here for about an hour so I'm gonna take this opportunity to wrap us up Matt as we look forward to the offseason you know we've got we we've been talking mostly about our uh everything bagel of a league but we actually have two other leagues too that we tend to look at on here I think the next big milestone that we've got is keepers locking in a uh the end in the middle of August. So we've got about a two month time frame here.
SPEAKER_01What are you really looking forward to what do you keep yourself busy with in the next two months while you're waiting for what's next in fantasy um well my thing is I also do other leagues so I'm not I'm not just in these three weeks these these three leagues so some of those we'll be doing drafts um but then I also like it's the reason I like dynasty is there really truly is no offseason because it's how can I always be improving. And so it's it's just I'll be continuing to look at my teams as we kind of get away from the drafting aspect of it we get into OTAs and we get into um kind of train camp and all that kind of stuff and just see you know is there a young guy that maybe I want to take a dart throw on or you know I'm even looking in our league of boom thing I feel like I have a plethora of assets um especially at defensive line and so I'm gonna look around the league and see is there anybody that maybe could use some help there and see if they have like I've kind of because of my issue with Rasheed Rice um see if I can get like just I'm looking for just another maybe startable wide receiver. Doesn't have to be a top tier guy but just a startable type of wide receiver that I can maybe trade for um to put in my lineup in case you know Rice does get suspended something like that. So yeah it's just trying to look and see um how can I continue to improve and and just get ready for that. And then with the keeper league you know it's going to be kind of doing some prep for that but I know we won't draft that league until end of August yeah like right before the league starts the season starts. So get excited about that one.
SPEAKER_02Getting excited all right we'll be back in a few weeks we'll continue talking about offseason moves off season news looking at these leagues uh and then preparing ourselves for the next drafts as we're they're right around the corner and helping out our listeners with helping their drafts too so the next league will our next uh episode we'll also be talking about team superlatives you kind of talked about our uh one of our teams in our league the anti-AARP team uh but we'll go through and give the rest of our league mates some superlatives there and uh and so that'll be on our next episode here so Matt I think I think we hit everything then for uh Matt I'm Roberts and we'll talk to you all again next time and as always do better don't go again