The RB and Preher Show
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The RB and Preher Show
Post - NFL Draft
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This is the RB and prayer show. It's just a couple of guys hanging out and talking fantasy football. Now, here are your hosts, Robert and Matt.
SPEAKER_02All right. Welcome back in post-NFL draft. How did uh how did how do you celebrate the NFL draft?
SPEAKER_03This was this was actually the first year that I was incredibly excited. Like I'm usually always excited for like the first round, but this year I was I don't know. I was super into it. I was really tracking pretty much all the rounds, really until like the fifth, fifth, sixth round. Um but really just tracking everything um just to see kind of what guys went where, who got picked, and I and because of our IDP league that we're doing. I was even looking at defense.
SPEAKER_02Who knows? Maybe in a year or two in that league, you'll do a vote and we'll bring in offensive linemen.
SPEAKER_03I mean, I I actually thought about it. I thought I would be able to do it. Of course you did. I would be open to them before kickers.
SPEAKER_02So I still think we need to read that rename that league to the everything bagel league because it's just so out of you can that's what it is.
SPEAKER_03You can raise it as a as an option. You shouldn't call it everything bagel, just call it realistic because that's the point. It's the it's not realistic.
SPEAKER_02If you're not gonna put kickers and punters in, it's not realistic. We can have a salary cap. That's what we should do too. We should have a salary cap. Yes, I'm I'm I'm game for that. Um, adding it to the I don't want to do it as a separate league. Add it to the existing one. The existing one just needs to kind of continue to expand to be like it's now everything. We're gonna bring coaches in, coaches win percentages every week. I've heard of that happening. We could go man, you're you seem like the type of person that would do that. And we're gonna talk about that league a little bit later as we go. But first things first, we need to talk about the draft. So the NFL draft has taken place, and I'll say I don't think it disappointed by any stretch, uh, but it was definitely not what people thought it was gonna be. And I think the reason why that was the case was because of what the Arizona Cardinals did with their third overall pick. Uh, and that kind of threw everything else off, to me at least. It threw everything off a little bit.
SPEAKER_03I I agree with you that I think the draft was kind of uh ugh, like it's kind of the best way I can sum it up for most of like fantasy perspective, um, especially in offensive only fantasy. But I think it's way more than just that one pick.
SPEAKER_02I mean, it's it's not everybody you're not wrong. I'm I'm saying that's the pick that kind of cascaded everything to happen afterwards. Like that was the the fork in the road pick of like if they do that, what which they do, then everybody else has to kind of deal with the consequences of it.
SPEAKER_03So it's it's and it's not even it's it's like I I still think I'm not worried about him. I still think he's a great player, I still think he's gonna be a great player in the NFL. But from an NFL franchise perspective, this is one of the dumbest picks that you could possibly make. I mean automatically so this was a I need to put seats in, I need to put butts in the seats type of pick. I need to have some kind of excitement because I mean, with if they had just picked, you know, an offensive lineman or you know, I think whoever was Arvell Reese or David Bay, whoever was available as the next best defensive player, they they wasn't gonna excite anybody. But I I re I saw this thing, so you know, Devon H. And he got his big extension uh yesterday, right? Or today. And it was, I forget how all the numbers are, but the amount that he was guaranteed as part of that, which is like 30 or 50 million or something like that, Jeremiah Love already has more guaranteed money in his contract.
SPEAKER_02Jeremiah Love, once he was drafted, became the highest paid running back in the league. And that's obviously that's who we're talking about. We know the name, but if if you weren't following along, Jeremiah Love goes to the Cardinals at 30 for all. And because of the the draft capital they use on him, he is automatically the top running back to be paid in the league, which is hilarious that he just reset that market, or really not him so much as the Cardinals decided to reset that market with this pick. So, all right, let's jump in though. So the draft recap, Matt, why don't you start us off? We're gonna talk about our favorite favorite or two favorite picks and our two least favorite picks from the NFL draft, from the actual NFL draft. Why don't you go with your first one?
SPEAKER_03Yep, yep. So starting with favorite picks, um, I took this as this was something that there was a lot of scuttlebutt about kind of leading up to the draft. And it was always to me a oh, that would be awesome if it actually happens, but I didn't think there was any way that it would actually happen. Um, and I'm again looking at this really from just a dynasty perspective type of uh look here. Um, and that's Jadarian Price going at the end of the first round, number 32, to the Seahawks. I mean, I think this is just a phenomenal pick all around. Um, maybe not necessarily a smart move for the Seahawks, but they just won the Super Bowl. They don't necessarily need a ton of things. Um, but picking him, he's got the draft capital. He instantly, I loved it from a dynasty perspective with our rookie draft because he instantly vaulted from a maybe best case back half of the first round in our, I think when we did our mock all the way up to um you know fifth, fifth or sixth overall, which just really helped me out with drafting, uh, getting getting some guys to kind of fall down to me. Um so I just think I think it's a perfect fit. He's instantly the day one starter there. It's another viable, you know, rookie running back. Yeah, I don't think he's gonna be anything kind of insane and awesome, but volume makes kings in fantasy, and he's going to have the volume. Because you know, who knows when Charbonnet is going to return or if he's gonna return. So it's volume makes kings, and he's he's definitely gonna be the king in CM.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. No, that's a good call out. Uh, I think for me, the two that I really liked were well, one at least I'll start with that. I I actually I really like Carnell Tate at four to the Titans. If you're gonna take a wide receiver that high, then you know I just they're gonna get all the work, and that's great. Um, that's not a bad thing at all. So I I think he's gonna get so much work um this season, and I'm very curious about how it actually plays all out. Um, so he's the one that stands out to me at four, and obviously, like at four, it's hard to have a bad pick there, but um, but it I guess it it can be bad hard to have a bad pick there. Um I like that one a lot.
SPEAKER_03I I still think that he might have more success if he had my boy Will Levis growing to him.
SPEAKER_02I didn't turn the thing on yet. You gotta uh this is set me up again. Set me up again. Hang on, don't don't well look. We haven't done this in a while.
SPEAKER_03All right, set me up again. Um, I like that pick. I I agree. I love Tate. I love Tate going into the draft. I do think he's probably the best slash safest wide receiver one in the draft. Uh, but I do think that he would it would have been a better spot for him, you know, if he had me on my boy Will Levis throwing to him.
SPEAKER_02The Will Levis power minute. I'm gonna leave all of that in there, by the way. You should. Uh you should definitely. I'm absolutely going to. So yeah, I'm going with Carnell Tate. Uh, who was your other one?
SPEAKER_03Um, so my other favorite that I really liked. Um, I'm going with the other guy who I think has the most talent in the wide receiver core, um, but it's not necessarily a safe pick because of all of his injuries, and that's Jordan Tyson. He went number eight overall to the Saints. Um, not only did it help my Dallas Cowboys in the real world draft, um, it also helps, like, I just think that's a great fit. I think he's a like he's gonna go in, I think technically probably be the wide receiver two, but he could definitely become the wide receiver one in that offense. I love him next to Olave. I love him in a Kellen Moore offense. Um, I think the Saints are just kind of going up right now with Moore, um, Travis, Achan, um Olave, Tyson, and then, you know, I even like what they did at tight end as well. But yeah, I really like the Tyson pick to the Saints.
SPEAKER_02Yep. My other one was a little bit further down, but it was at 20. The Eagles take Mikhail Lemon. I mean, I think at this point, uh I I listened to enough other other podcasts out there, and I think most of us that are paying attention to NFL right now are like AJ Brown might as well be a patriot. Yeah. Um, like I mean, for all intents and purposes, like he is that to most people, uh, although the contract hasn't been signed. And like it would be hysterically.
SPEAKER_03I mean, crazier things have happened than yeah, I think he's gotta be what a post June 1 trade, I think, for like salary kick and all that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_02I've heard that, and I've also heard that they're waiting until the end of May. And the two things I keep hearing like don't jive together, so I'm not quite sure what to make. I think it is probably either late this month or like we're probably less than a couple weeks away.
SPEAKER_03I do think it would be hysterical though. Because if he goes somewhere else, yes. Well, if if he just doesn't get traded at all, because I don't trade him with all the drama with Vrabel, and if Vrabel kind of takes a step back and then does because he's obviously probably the one main one pushing for Brown, and then if they get a new coach or whatever, and he doesn't want AJ Brown, and so they don't move forward. I just I've heard other landings made about he could uh well, yeah, that's true.
SPEAKER_02I I think either way, Lemon is gonna play a lot this year, whether it's with AJ Brown or not. Um, I think it's it's more of a Devontae Smith thing than anything else. Like, does he become the true number one for that team? But but I think them sitting still and then him falling to them, like, you know, make all the Amon Ra comps you want to. Um, he's not my favorite of the three that were at the top of the draft for fantasy wide receivers anyway. I think he's probably to me, he's probably the third anyway. But this is a really good landing spot. I mean, Jalen Hurts is kind of in his prime. Like, um, would you rather have you know Mikhail Lemon on the Eagles or uh, you know, all things being equal, Carnell Tate on the Titans? I think most people you take the draft capital into account, obviously it's a harder decision, but all things being equal, uh they they're pretty similar, um, different players for sure. But um, all right, so we had Price, Tyson, Tate, and Lemon. We stuck with the first round for our favorite landing spots. Uh now we're gonna talk about two worst picks, the picks you liked the least out of there. Go ahead and hit me with one of yours.
SPEAKER_03Uh yeah, so the first guy that kind of came to my mind, and I I actually I love this player, and I think in the real world, which is why these guys are drafting, like they don't care about fantasy necessarily, obviously. It's a great pick. It's a perfect pick. But for fantasy, this is terrible. It's Omar Cooper. You know, he was the guy that was pretty much he was in that kind of that tier two of rookie wide receivers right behind those top three who we've already talked about. And he was, you know, he fighting, essentially, in my opinion, kind of fighting with Casey Conception for that next one. Um, so you know, kind of that fifth, sixth, seventh pick in the draft. And I I forget where he went. I do think he actually went around there, but I I had the seventh pick in the draft, and I was contemplating what I was gonna do if he if he was like the best receiver on the board, because I had no interest in drafting, and it's Omar Cooper. Um, it's because he went to the Jets. And the reason here is because A, it's the Jets, and the Jets are terrible. But B, it's you know, their quarterback is a washed up Geno Smith who is cannot throw the ball. They've he's gonna be clearly the wide receiver too, but he's also behind the other guy that you could have, he's not my number two loser in this because I think he's got a better path forward, but Kenyan Sadiq. Oh, is he yours? Yeah, and I'll let you talk about him, but you draft him and then you put Cooper in there. It's just it's he's gonna be probably the third, maybe even the fourth in the target hog, and like in the target level there, and he and the tiers and on the jets, and it's in a very bad passing offense and a low volume passing offense, too. Like it's just it's not good for him and his fantasy perspectives.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, I'll talk about Sadiq right now. He's one of my losers, or my uh maybe not losers, one of my worst picks. I I really didn't like what the Jets did in the first round. I think a lot of people actually do like what they did.
SPEAKER_03I think from a real world perspective, it it's it's really good and it makes a lot of sense.
SPEAKER_02But from a fan I think it's a I think it's a set, I think it's a setting you up for next year type of draft for them, which makes sense. But I also think they kind of took they went with the guys that were at the end of a tier, in my opinion. They did not start the run, they ended the run. And and like that, I I don't know if that's ever where you really want to be. Like, I have no problem Daily, Dave Bailey, they take it too, but then they turn around at 16 and take Sadiq, and then you know, your guy comes later at 30 in Omar Cooper. Uh I mean, I wasn't the biggest Sadiq fan to begin with, but there were better landing spots than this. I was really expecting him to go to a place where it was a a team that had like no clear future at tight end. And prior to the draft, I would have said, well, the Jets took Mason Taylor just last year, and that was not a what round? Do you remember when Mason Taylor what round he was in? Second last year. Yeah, I was gonna say it was top three for sure. So so like they have a second round tight end on the team who didn't have the best you know rookie season. Yeah, but he wasn't terrible. But he wasn't terrible. Yeah, a lot of people. Right, and that's that's the part that I'm confused on. Is the is this going to be is this a draft Sadiq to replace Mason Taylor? Which I don't think it is because they do the same thing. Neither one of them are inline blockers, they're both out wide tight end, they're they're receiving tight ends. Uh so that doesn't make any sense. The other thought I have, which I I kind of fear of what is actually happening, is that you know, the Rams with this like three tight end, we're gonna go run that personnel all day, every day, are starting to reset like how do teams think about beating defenses. And I'm wondering if this is the Jets' way of saying, look, we've got these two young air quote stud tight ends that we're gonna run out there alongside Garrett Wilson and Omar Cooper and catch duck balls and hospital balls from Geno Smith for the next year until whatever they can do next year.
SPEAKER_03I mean, they're they're another team. Yeah, they're basically gonna be a base 12 personnel all year.
SPEAKER_02I I mean I think you're not I don't think you're wrong. They just paid Brees Hall. He's not going anywhere. And realistically, based on how they paid him, he should catch more balls than he did even last year. Garrett Wilson's healthy, hopefully. And then we've got these two young tight ends, a young wide receiver, and so I mean, it'll be an interesting offense, but I think it could be a really bad offense, too. I I I think we could look back at this pick of Kenyon Sadiq and just be like, man, that you can kind of see the promise, but like the Jets offense is terrible for him in a year. Um, and you know, even with a new quarterback coming in at the top of the class, like I hope it works, but um I'm worried about it. So obviously I didn't take him. Anyway, uh, your others. Well, yeah, we actually decided to finally come out of the first round and start rattling off stuff we didn't like. You didn't go very far though.
SPEAKER_03No, no, I went with uh Dejon. I'm probably mispronouncing that, but Dijon, Dijon Stribling, who went 33rd, the second pick, or the sorry, the first pick of the second round. Um he went to San Francisco. Um at first, this seems like a really exciting pick. Um, and I actually drafted Striblings in our rookie draft, but I drafted him, I think, towards the end of the second round or something.
SPEAKER_02You drafted him, I can tell you, I've got it pulled up right here. I thought you actually you took him at 208.
SPEAKER_03208, so yeah, towards the end of the second round. So I I don't know, I just I took him because I think what was left, you know, he's clearly got a path. He's not gonna be the wide receiver one, but he's clearly got a path to fantasy relevancy simply because of like we talked about earlier with price, with volume. Like, yeah, there's Mike Evans, but he's 32, he's old. There's Ricky Pearsall who can't stay out of the hospital, you know, pretty much. So there's a chance, and they love him. The only issue that I have with him is I feel like there were so many other better wide receivers that were still available on the board that they that San Francisco could have taken. Um because they're smarter than everybody else. Yeah. Now which in fairness too though, like I feel like it they've shown that offensively, when it comes to their skill players, they are horrendous at drafting them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um, in fairness to your argument of hey, they've got an old Mike Evans and Ricky Pearshall, I do think with the 49ers, you have to take George Kittle into account, and you have to take Christian McCaffrey into account. Like, yes, on as a number two on most offenses, I would be with you. This isn't most offenses. So but yeah, no, it's a good call. I I'm I'm very curious of how it works out, but also I don't I think in my mind I don't expect it to work out because you know, like you said, they have not they don't have a great track record of skill position players in those first couple of rounds, especially in the last few years. Um Ricky Pearsall's a first round pick from what two, three years ago. So I just yeah, they there's a number of guys that are in that position.
SPEAKER_03Was he was he in first was he a first round pick?
SPEAKER_02He was a first round pick. Uh let me look. I think it was 2024, but I might be wrong about that. Um he was the he was 30, yeah, he was 30 first. He was 31 in 2024. I boom, right ahead of Xavier Leggett. So anyway, uh all right, my other just worst pick is I went with Carson Beck in the third round, first pick of the third round to the Arizona Cardins. I I pick this one because one, I I'm not a huge fan of like if you're gonna take a quarterback that's in this range, like they're very clearly a backup, but with Jacoby Brissett, like I I don't know. I I think best case scenario with Carson Beck is he comes in early towards the beginning of the season and wins them a bunch of games and takes them out of contention for an early first next year. This seems like a team to me that's playing for an early first round pick next year to go get Dante Moore, Arch, or somebody, right? At quarterback. So best case scenario, he takes you out of the running for those guys. And I mean, it's Carson Beck. Like, I don't expect him to light the world on fire. I think he's more, he seems more journeyman than anybody else. Yeah, right. Uh he's even more like he could ex he could his ceiling might be like Kirk Cousins-y, right? Maybe that's even a little too high for him.
SPEAKER_03I don't, yeah. It might be. Um I feel like he's I feel like he's like worst case scenario Zach Wilson or something. Like it's not, I don't think it's very fair.
SPEAKER_02I I don't know if I would say he's quite Zach Wilson, but I don't think he's far off. Worst case scenario, you lit the 301 on fire, and you know, it just nothing is gonna come from it, or you've got your backup for the next few years, which I think in Jacoby Brissett, you've probably got a few years of a backup anyway. So I'm not really sure what you're doing. The the the problem with the Carson Beck pick is it doesn't make sense to a team in Arizona's position. Like you're playing for next year to go get a hot uh a quarterback, you've got Jeremiah Love under contract for the next four to five years, you've got some young receivers that can stick around. Trey McBride's still pretty young. So you've got the core around him. Like, go take an offensive tackle to shore up your line to get some line help before Jeremiah Love shows up. Like it just the the pick itself doesn't make any sense to me from a team perspective. And I think it's gonna trickle over into fantasy too. You're probably gonna get some starts out of Carson Beck this year because I I don't know if Jacoby Brissett's gonna stick around or you know, if he's gonna work that season again.
SPEAKER_03I think that 10 games into the season, when they're one win, one and nine, maybe two and eight, if they're lucky.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah. I know I think it's sooner than that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they're think they're gonna turn around, turn it over to him. Yeah, they're gonna be drafting uh one of the top quarterbacks in the first round next year. Yep.
SPEAKER_02Manning to Harrison yet again.
SPEAKER_03No sense. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So he's my other one. Uh you said your honorable mention, you want to mention that one too. I just saw you put it in there.
SPEAKER_03This one, this one's not as much fantasy, but like I just cannot believe that Vegas and Miami did nothing to like really short. Up their wide receiver core. Like who is the number one receiver on the depth chart for both of those offenses right now?
SPEAKER_02Jalen Naylor for the Las Vegas Rangers. Because they paid him. Yeah. That's where the money is. And who did they? Oh gosh. You remember who the Dolphins just acquired somebody, and I can't think of um He was from the Cowboys. Was it from the Giants? Falcon? Cowboys? Oh, that is not. Is it um Flano?
SPEAKER_03Same person. No, Floy's on, he's still on the Cowboys. What was that? This guy was ahead of well, this guy was passed by Fanoy last year. Um Jalen Tobert. Jalen Tobert.
SPEAKER_02That's not who I was thinking of, but it makes sense. I feel like there's somebody else on their depth chart too. That's no, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_03Like, I think I mean and and who knows? Like it's like Jalen Tobey, like the my the both of their receiver cores are like, what what are we doing here? What are we like? I just I don't get it. I don't get how the Raiders didn't try like even just in the second round, they there were still good enough guys that they could have drafted, like a Jeremy Bernard, a Skylar Belt, like some of these guys that went to these just weird kind of planning spots that you know you don't necessarily love from a fantasy perspective, that they could have gone and been clear number one. I do like the Chris Bell pick by my for for Miami, but he's hurt. He's coming off of a very late ACL tear. He's probably not gonna be really playing until halfway through the season anyway, so it's gonna be kind of a lost year for him. So I just I don't give up. So it's basically they paid all this money to Malik to come in, be their starter, and then it's basically he's gonna have such a terrible year, they're probably gonna, it's gonna be like the Arizona all over again.
SPEAKER_02Well, in in fairness, I didn't even realize this, but the Dolphins did take a bunch of wide receivers. They took three wide receivers in the draft. I didn't realize they took so they took at 311 they went with Caleb Douglas out of Texas Tech at three third at 330 they went with Chris Bell, and then at 5 uh 537. That pick doesn't make any sense to me, but uh they went with Kevin Coleman Jr. out of Missouri.
SPEAKER_03The Raiders, there's all those comp picks, yeah. Fourth, fifth round.
SPEAKER_02Um, the sixth round, the Raiders took Malik Benson, but yeah, to your point, they they neither team addressed this really. So that's that's definitely a good call out. All right, let's move over to so we did a mock draft of our league last week, and I did not go through to see like how many we got right or wrong out of this. Uh, I would say we got more wrong than right. You have to yeah, you have to pull it up because I don't have access to that. Outside of the first couple of picks, uh, yeah, I don't we did not do well. Um actually now I want to kind of look at that, but um but looking at our league and trying to see how we ended up going. So we're only gonna look at the first two rounds because the rest of the draft is uh crapshoot. But so our draft followed a pretty typical order. We we went 101 was uh Jeremiah Love, obviously, 102 was Carnell Tate, then Jordan Tyson and Makai Lemon were three and four. Uh the price draft capital did push him up. So Jadarian Price went 105. You kind of mentioned this already when you were talking about players you didn't like from the draft. Omar Cooper goes sixth, Concepcion goes seventh, Sadiq eighth, Jonah Coleman ninth, Fernando Mendoza 10th, Stowers 11th, and Zachariah Branch sneaks into the first round at the end there. Moving into the second round, we had Denzel Boston go 201, then Chris Brazzle, Chris Bell, Nick Singleton goes 204, Malachi Fields goes 205, Antonio Williams 2.6, Jeremy Bernard 27, Dijon Stribling at 208, uh Elijah Surratt 29, Eli Raiden moves into the second round for us and goes at 210, Ted Hurst at 211, and then we round out the second round with Skylar Bell. Um some really interesting things there, but overall, don't want to necessarily focus on the specific players. We talked about a lot of them. I my question to you, Matt, is looking at our draft board, and it's a mess because almost every single I think 60 or 70% of our picks were traded at some point, probably more than once.
SPEAKER_04Which is how it should be.
SPEAKER_02Which is how it should be. But who which team would you say, based on the the rookie draft this year, took the most ground?
SPEAKER_03So I will not say the team that I think actually took the most ground.
SPEAKER_02I know why you're going to say that, but go ahead and say yours.
SPEAKER_03I'll hear you say it. Um that's fine. But I I've got to go with Dalen. Now, part of this I will give credit to Dalen for um uh some of the trades that he's made in the offseason leading up to this, but he positioned himself to get three uh wide receivers, two of which are two of the three that we put or sorry, three first-round picks is what I meant. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Gotcha.
SPEAKER_03I mean, Sadiq's.
SPEAKER_02You got me really confused when I was looking at Sadiq there.
SPEAKER_03Sadiq's basically a wide receiver, but he had he had three picks in in the draft, and he got two of the top three wide receivers, both of whom we really liked, was on our our like list. And then he got the kind of, you know, I know that you didn't like him, and I had some issues with his landing spot as well, but like the top tight end in the draft. And tight end is such a barren position right now in fantasy, that it's like I I just think that he did the most in terms of just he only had three picks, but all three of those picks are top-tier players that I think that like especially Tyson and Lemon, those could be day one stars for him, which he really needs. And that combined with some of the off-season moves that he did, I think that he's actually got a I don't know if it's not a contending team yet, but I think that he's got a team that could make some noise to maybe mess up some people, knock them out of the playoffs, that kind of thing. Like it's not gonna be just a rollover type of game team like we had last year when you would play Dalen. I think that falls to someone else in our league.
SPEAKER_02Who does it fall to now, Matt?
SPEAKER_03Uh oh, that's fallen to Bryson. Bryson's team is gonna be terrible.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Bryson. I thought Bryson's draft went pretty well. Carnell Tate, Chris Brazzle, Nick Singleton, uh, Mike Washington, Skylar Bell. He he had a lot of a lot of picks, and he's got some decent pieces there. He he made some uh some noise with them. I actually really like the Brazzle pick, or Brazil, however you say his name. I've really come around on that one, like in the last few. I've been doing a bunch of mocks lately, and man, I just I don't know. I I don't like the Carolina I don't like how much I'm liking that part of the Carolina offense.
SPEAKER_03But they're sneaky, there's they're not like they're sucking me in, and I don't like it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Young has really started to bounce.
SPEAKER_02It's all on Bryce Young, yes, 100%. And I don't know if I want to trust him at all, right? So all right, my team and the one that I'm going with is is the one that you were hinting at. I think your team probably took the most ground uh just by the amount, and and you made the best of a lot of your picks. I I I looked at the draft board and I was like, yeah, every pick pretty much are ones that I I really like. So you take Jeremiah, you take Jeremiah Love at 101, you work your way up there, weasel your way to the first overall pick. No weaseling. They were weasel. It was weaseling, weaseling pretty hard. It was a weasel.
SPEAKER_03If I could leave, if I could weasel, I wouldn't have I would still have all of my other first round picks. Um if I could blackmail people like, hey, I caught you in an affair, give me your first round pick.
SPEAKER_02What are you talking about? All right, moving on. So you take Jeremiah Love at 101, you're set there for a little while, and then uh Concepcion at seven. I I mean, he's a fine pick.
SPEAKER_03So I just I just need to say, like, with him, I love the Concepcion pick because to me, he was the top wide receiver in that next tier, and I really like the landing spot because he's going in as the clear number one and having Todd Monk in in Cleveland now. You know, everyone I know I don't I personally do not make the comparisons and think he's the next Zay Flowers, but he's at least the guy that they're talking about really moving around. And like I think they're going to feed him the ball. Judy's washed, they've got no one else to really throw to there, and then hopefully we'll do that.
SPEAKER_02What are you talking about? Hang on, hang on. Okay, yes, Jerry Judy may be washed. Harold Fannon was the number five tight end last year. Yeah, he is not gone. No, they took Denzel Boston, they took Denzel Boston less than how many picks later? Like 10 to 15 picks later.
SPEAKER_03You took, I know that you took Boston, so you like him. No, no, no.
SPEAKER_02I'm I'm not saying I I think he was the best. I'm not saying I like him or dislike him. I really don't like taking Brown's players in general, but he was the best player on the board, in my opinion, so that's why I took him. It's not I I think crazier things have happened than the second guy drafted by a team becoming their first wide receiver or doing exactly what you're saying. I just he's not as much of an immediate shoe-in, I guess, is what I'm saying. Like, yeah, he's gonna get the ball from either Shadur or Deshaun Watson. Don't love that.
SPEAKER_03No, I agree. In a look, I'm not acting like he's gonna be the next Jamar Chase or anything like that. Sure. But in a draft that was considered very weak, especially after the top like four picks, really. Um that's why I liked the price pick to the Seahawks because it popped him up. Um he went five. And then I got honestly, I got lucky with Cooper going at six because I definitely didn't because if if if Mike had taken Conception at six, then now I'm looking at Cooper or Sadiq, who we both didn't like, and then it's just ugh.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_03Like I probably would have taken, honestly, I probably would have taken Antonio Williams or someone else like that. Um with that because I was like, I don't know what I'm gonna do with that seven that seven spot.
SPEAKER_02Yep. So you take Love Conception, you take Stours at 111, and then in the second round, you get Stribling, which I like. I like both of those picks quite a bit. Um, Brendan Thompson in the third round and Catron Allen. I I think Katron Allen has a chance to do something this year, frankly. So I like that one. And I I keep hearing things about Oscar Delp that yeah I'm kind of excited. I wonder if they use him. So no one's gonna replace Taysom Hill, but he kind of feels like a Taysom Hilly type person. Um he's definitely more of a blocking type. I mean, his numbers at Georgia were terrible, but at the same time, crazier things have happened. He's coming into an upin uh to a position with the Saints where Juwan Johnson is the best option, and maybe he's not an option anymore.
SPEAKER_03The more that I read about Delp, the more excited I am about that pick. Yeah and that he fell to me, and that I think I don't think he's gonna do anything this year, but I think I think that he has a chance to kind of become tight end one next year, and that they're not gonna have like they're they're gonna get out of Juwan Johnson. Um but also I love the Stours pick. Like Stours going into the draft, to me, he was my number one tight end. I like Sadiq a lot too, but I just in the offseason, I just there were some stats and stuff that I was I was looking at just leading up to it, where I was actually thinking that Stowers is the number one tight end until I mean, and then you know, Stours Sadiq got all the noise at the combine, but Stours had a just almost just as good as a combine. He was insane with everything else, too. But Sadiq was just a little bit faster, had a little bit better vertical, a little bit better. Like he had you know a little bit better on results. Like Sadiq's like one of the best athletic tight ends we've had in history, and Stours is like top 10, so he's still great as well. But yeah, so I don't know. Yes, I'm biased, but I like that pick.
SPEAKER_02No, I like the Stours pick too. That was that was my spot, and I I'm kind of glad I traded out of it, but um but yeah, I would have I would have taken Stours there too, for sure. Is there like I wouldn't have felt I wouldn't have felt great about it, but I definitely would have done it and not felt great about it just because my team didn't really need that.
SPEAKER_03So yeah. Is there anyone in the draft any of the other guys that you you just look at their draft and you're just like what?
SPEAKER_02Um I mean Todd's made me laugh with his two last round picks there. Um I I'm not I'm gonna keep away from the like last the last four of us that were kind of at the tail end because none of our drafts are gonna look all that great. Um there we go. Turn that off. Uh the person that's draft makes me scratch my head the most is probably Mike's. Uh yeah, and pros. That's right. Like that's uh that that team takes Jonah Coleman at nine overall. Antonio Williams at 206 is good. Emmett Johnson at 3-6. I don't know. Xavion Thomas.
SPEAKER_03Like they're not they're not bad players, but I the only thing I would say about those picks are for Emmett Johnson, Kenneth Walker until last year has never stayed healthy. So he's got a chance to be the starting running back in Kansas City. Um, and then Jonah Coleman, it's very clear that the dent that that Sean Payton does not like RJ Harvey. He does not trust him. And so same kind of situation, if he comes in and gains that trust, and then you've got uh you know JK Dobbins, who's also hurt a lot, um, can't stay healthy. There they're just there's just a chance. I agree, they're not like insanely good picks, but there's a chance. The guy that I I'm just gonna throw this out there, I don't get his picks at all, and that's T Park. Um, he took Omar Cooper, you know, in the middle of the the first round, and then he took Zachariah Branch, who I think is gonna be a bust, a massive bust. Um take a shot on him mid-second round, I'm sure. But I there were like three or four, maybe five other wide receivers that I thought I would rather take over him. Like I think he can be exciting, but I don't see him being able to hold up in the NFL. Um, and then yeah, I mean the Claymore picks like whatever in the in the third round. That might be a decent pick because their running back situation there, but he's gonna be the third running back, at least to start this year for a while. So I just I I don't get that that draft at all.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, that's fair. All right, last thing we're gonna talk about, and we're not gonna spend a ton of time here, but we'll we'll talk about it a little bit. So uh we mentioned our IDP league that we have coming up, the the everything bagel league, as I love to call it. Um, so the draft for this league, for our dynasty startup draft, as exciting as that is, our 35-round dynasty startup draft that Matt's making us all go through. It's gonna take a month and a half to do, but it does thankfully we at least start it in May, so it's done by September. But um so so we we start that this Saturday.
SPEAKER_03And the you all voted on the number of spots. So this is not just me. This isn't all of us.
SPEAKER_02Oh but whatever. Yeah, that's one way to do it, Commissioner, is blame everybody else. But no, so this everything bigger league. This everything bega league is PPR, it's super flex, it's tight end premium, it's IDP. I feel like I'm missing an acronym somewhere, but like it's a little bit of everything. Uh so we want to talk about two things. One, let's talk about uh let's talk about any major trades that have happened. We've had a couple trades that have gone down. I don't think I would call any of them major. It's mostly people moving around at this point. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um there's not much to trade right now.
SPEAKER_02No, it's all picks. Um we've had we've had some people trading into the first in the in the startup and trading thirds and fourths to get into the first. Um let's see, you had one. You traded away your first, didn't you? So you you don't you don't have a first, but what have you picked up so far? You've picked up, I believe you have a second and a third that you picked up.
SPEAKER_03I picked up I I have so I have the 11th pick, um, or that was the spot, the draft spot that I got. Um so I had the 111, um, and then the 202. I picked, I drive I traded away my 111, and I picked up a second. So I have 2-4, and then I have I think I've picked up the extra fifth.
SPEAKER_02Yes, you have five two four and five nine are the two that you also and then you have 13-9 as well. Yeah, so which 13-9 and nothing in around the 35-round draft. Uh 13-9 is fine. So, yeah, like I said, there's not been a ton of trades. We don't need to spend a ton of time on that. I'm I'm more curious about how you think so. All of these different flavors of league, superflex, tight end premium, PPR, IDP, but all of them together. Let's think about them kind of in buckets, right? Superflex versus uh, you know, what's what's the general strategy for a superflex versus what's the general strategy for tight end premium PPR? I think we pretty well know, but even IDP. Um I'm I'm curious if you've got any thoughts here. Um, some of the draft strategies that may pay off. So I listed out a couple. Like obviously, there's things like hero RB, there's zero RB, there's taking two quarterbacks with your first two picks, there's loading up on tight ends because it's a tight end premium. There's, hey, if I zig Zig versus Zag. So if everybody waits till round nine to start selecting IDP players, does somebody start that in round six and get three of the top few in the league? Yeah, do you it's a dynasty startup. So are you thinking, hey, I'm gonna go with all the young studs and take as many rookie second, third year players as I can get so that I'm set for the next few years versus somebody that's gonna take more old reliable, but uh, you know, is gonna be gonna be having a lot more roster turnover in the next couple of years. So I'm curious your opinion. What what are your expectations of some of the draft strategies might we might see from league mates as well as how they might play out?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, I think so, in my opinion, I believe that as long as you're focused and you're paying attention, you could do well with any kind of strategy in the draft. You just have to know what your strategy is going in, and you need to stick to it. And now you can change it a little bit, obviously, as you see how things go, because if like if you go in thinking I'm gonna go here RB, and let's say you have this the sixth pick or something, but then five QBs go right before you, and which you know, I would be a little surprised at, but not out of the realm of possibilities and super flex. But if five QBs go, you may decide, oh crap, I need to get a QB instead, so then it becomes I'm I'm gonna get that. I to me, the big thing is I think in the top two, maybe three rounds, but three three might be pushing it. So, really in the top two, I think you've got to get a quarterback. Now, it gets harder because I do think there's really only five guys that are an elite tier in terms of quarterback dynasty. And you know, if you just don't have one of the top five picks or like six picks, you're just being set, you're kind of stuck because it just is what it is. Um, and so then it becomes that's why you got to mock it because like I said, if you have a six pick and you want to go with, and then let's just say five QBs go. Well, mock, okay, five QBs go, and I take Bijan or Gibbs, whoever's your favorite running back, or Chase or JSN, your favorite wide receiver, like what does that look like? I just think um I I'm really interested. Like, I that's what makes this league, in my opinion, very exciting. Is the confusion.
SPEAKER_02Well, because because you can you can do well at any draft spot, and you can and like with what you because like like it's like you're gonna play against a team that has a different strength every week because the draft has so many opportunities for strengths.
SPEAKER_03If you play against a team, like if you like I had the 111. I'm drafting at the back end of the first round, I'm not gonna get an elite quarterback. Um, so then but I've now got options of okay, I could go be the first IDP player and get one of the top guys that are gonna score 40 points a week or something like that. Um, or I could get a, you know, you know, maybe I get lucky and like like I've seen mocks where Jamar Chase goes at 111. Like that's in. Insane to me because he could obviously be the wide receiver one. Um, so like you could really get your but if you do that, are you giving up too much with not getting that quarterback? Because I think for me, the big thing is that with this being super flex, you've got to get at least one QB in the top two rounds, just because like if you don't really get two viable starters at QB in a super flex league, you are chasing points all the time. And I know I hope you know our our league mate, maybe maybe post this um uh send this out on Monday after our draft starts this weekend in two days. But like I I just think that you've got to try and do that um with the QBs, and then it becomes then it becomes to me is just what what does it look like? Yeah, because there is like it's tight end premium, but it's not crazy. I've seen some tight end premium leagues that are like three points for tight end instead of one and a half, which is what we are. So it there is an advantage, but to me, the tight end premium is more of a like kind of an equalizer with wide receivers, exactly. It kind of equ equalizes it out. Um, I as as our our regular uh listeners in in Vietnam or Jeans or or wherever they are. Don't give us more credit than we have. We had like Brazil when we checked in December. Uh we've got them. We're international, remember? That's right. But I think that uh Mr. Worldwide. Exactly. Uh but I think that I I personally don't like the zero RB strategy. I just think it's very but I also think that if you're gonna do anything, like you gotta go. You gotta go for it. Like, don't get scared when all of these RBs, but you've got to load up at the other spots to kind of offset that RB. But yeah, I think I think you you you put it really well with that every week, you know, there's gonna be a team in this league that's gonna have an insane IDP roster. And they're terrible offense. Yeah, but they're gonna have they're gonna be starting like you know, Mason Taylor as their starting tight end, and you know, they're gonna have the entire Jets offense as they're as they're offense.
SPEAKER_02You're you're gonna play a team that's got really good wide receivers one week, and then the next week you're gonna play the top tight end in the league. And then the next week you're gonna play those four guys on the IDP squad that are the highest scoring performers in the league. And so like you're gonna run into a different team.
SPEAKER_03Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_02So, my opinion of this question like I I'll take the question maybe and go a little different direction of like, what do I what strategies do I think I'll we'll see employed in the draft? And recognize that like people walk into a draft with ideas and then stuff falls apart immediately. But you know, you and I have done enough draw dynasty drafts over the years to have a sense of like, hey, when I do a dynasty draft, I typically see at least one or two people do this. And it's already starting to head that direction, I would say. The one thing that we haven't seen that I've been a little bit surprised by is people trading out of the startup draft and into a future years rookie draft. I'm I've I'm really surprised that we haven't seen anybody do that yet.
SPEAKER_03I think that we will start. I think I think that we well, so what I love about this league so far is that the guys have already been active in the league. And I'm gonna take all credit for that because I'm the commissioner and I brought everyone together. So I got no, you didn't. I brought my one. You got one, so I brought you know 11 out, but I brought you, so there No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_02It was if you remember correctly, this whole thing spun off from a podcast episode last season. Oh, I know, but I brought up the IDP stuff.
SPEAKER_03You wanted to do it in our existing league, and then it didn't work, and then so I said, Hey Robert, let's start our own league.
SPEAKER_02I think we can say we said good idea, Matt. We we split I didn't say that. I would never say that.
SPEAKER_03But anyway, back I think that we're gonna see all of these strategies. I I do like I think we're gonna think maybe not the tight end load up, but we're good, and maybe I I I think here's what here's what I think.
SPEAKER_02There, I think there are three that stand out that I'm like, I a hundred percent think somebody's gonna do this, probably multiple teams. One, I think the two quarterbacks immediately is like that's a given. Somebody's gonna do that. I bet a couple teams probably do it because they want to get it knocked out, move on, and go do other stuff. So I think that shows up for sure. I don't know if anybody does hero RB intentionally. I think it might happen, but I don't I don't know if anybody takes that as a strategy and says, hey, I'm at six, five quarterbacks went, so B. John fell to me. I'm gonna take him, and then I'm just not gonna pick a wide running back again until round 28, right? Like I just I don't think that happens, but I think it might happen like naturally, not planned. The other two that I think, I think at least one team in our league will be like early IDP. I can't figure out exactly how they're gonna score based on last year's stats and how we're doing all of the roster stuff, but like those guys are gonna perform it. And so I'm gonna be the defense team. I think there's probably at least two teams in our league that just go that route. Maybe take a quarterback first and then just start hammering the defense and then come back to everything else. And then to the point I made earlier of like, hey, you and I have done enough of the dynasty startup drafts before where we've seen this. The young stud stuff happens every freaking draft. It doesn't matter. Somebody, somebody starts reaching for rookies or for second-year players that you're like, you're gonna take Terrence Ferguson now. Like, I know it's set in premium and he's a second-year player and all, but like, why?
SPEAKER_03There's gonna be a team where his oldest player is 23.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, for sure. For sure. So I think those, yeah. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_03There's one strategy that you're leaving off here.
SPEAKER_01I I'm sure I did.
SPEAKER_03I'm sure there's multiples. Well, that's the Todd strategy, and he's gonna his first three picks are gonna be running back. It's the RB heavy strategy.
SPEAKER_01Oh, that's true. That's what he's gonna do.
SPEAKER_03He's probably gonna get he's got the second pick, so he's gonna go Bijan or Gibbs, and then with the 211, he'll probably get like H and um one of the Hans, and then with the three, he'll probably also go with Derrick Henry. Like, that's that's what's gonna happen with Todd.
SPEAKER_02You think?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Now actually, I I'm giving him a hard time because he always seems to be RB heavy with all of these drafts, but it is funny um because I I I really want to come back and see what he does um in our next podcast when we recap this and see did he did he go RB heavy or not?
SPEAKER_02So my question about Todd's team is does he wait to nickname all of his players until after his roster is set, or does he nickname them as the draft is happening? Because that makes more sense. Do you want to nickname 35 guys at once, or do you want to just do one every every day for 35 days?
SPEAKER_03I think he gets to like round 10 and then he starts nicknaming them.
SPEAKER_02He just does it in batches, like every 10 plays.
SPEAKER_03Wave one wave two. Yeah, yeah. Every 10 or so it's just here here's a few more.
SPEAKER_02Oh man, that's good. Yeah, no, I think there are probably other strategies too that I'm not contemplating here. I am very curious how the uh the uh in-draft trading ends up going. My only conc not really concern, my only like uh trepidation, maybe is the right word, is like so our clock is two hours for good reason. I don't think it should be longer or shorter, by the way. I think two hours is the right amount of time. But also once you pop onto the clock, like two hours is a short amount of time to actually get somebody to actually respond to a trade request if you haven't, if you have not been working on it, like leading up to that pick.
SPEAKER_03I've got you, and then I've got like a few guys that I work with, they're in the league, and then and then a couple of them have a couple friends that they brought into the league as well. It's like a pyramid scheme. I'm gonna be basically I'm gonna be trying to like I'm gonna be reaching out to you when your buddy is like an hour in and he's not on, be like, you need to like, I don't care if he's pastoring somebody, like, go get him, like tell them draft. That's that is important right now.
SPEAKER_02I'll I'll nudge him. Hey, it goes on auto pick after you miss a pick. So day one, slow, although it shouldn't really be. Like, honestly, day one is usually when the fever pitch happens. Well, how many here here's the real over under? Maybe this is our second board bet of the year. Between so our draft starts 9 a.m. Saturday morning. We do two-hour running, like two hour clocks per pick. And when does it pause at night? 10 p.m. Uh no, midnight. Midnight, okay, midnight. So here's the question: what pick do we make it to by the end of day one?
SPEAKER_03Ooh, that's a good, that's a good one. We should do this as a board bet.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um I gotta pull I I closed sleeper out.
SPEAKER_03I gotta go back and look now. I know. All right, so end of day one.
SPEAKER_02You cannot, you cannot, if we're gonna do this as a board bet, you cannot text people directly to be like, hey, go do your pick. Like if other people in the league nudge each other, no. That's fine. I would say that's fine.
SPEAKER_03No, I'm gonna do it. I I I do that in our rookie draft.
SPEAKER_02Okay, that's fair. But you can do it through the app. You can't do it through texting people. Uh all right, fine. Um you can't affect you can't like push move this in a direction to be like, hey, I'm just gonna wait to send that text until the morning, because they'll still be on the clock when it comes back online at nine.
SPEAKER_03This is this is hard. So just so we're saying, what pick do we get to by midnight? Yeah. On the first day. Midnight of Saturday. On the first day. Okay, I'm gonna say I'm gonna say we get to pick 2.8. Ooh.
SPEAKER_02You're that's actually kind of where I was thinking too. I'm gonna say we get to I think we get to 2.11. That's that's where I'm saying.
SPEAKER_03So what you're saying is I can't have the two four and then just like take sit on it. You cannot sit on a pick.
SPEAKER_02You have to you have to be a man of your word here.
SPEAKER_03I will I am a man of the cloth. I will do it. Man of the cloth, huh? I wear lots of cloth clothing.
SPEAKER_02All right, I gotta make a note of this. End of day one. You said 208. I said 211.
SPEAKER_03So I guess is it like what what's the rule? Like, if we get to 29 or 210, do I win? Because it didn't get to 211?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Or anything before 28, I guess technically, would I win the board bet?
SPEAKER_02All right. Uh we'll just say closest. So 2-9, you 210 would be me. You can go anything back from there. I can go anything forward from 211. All right. Closest to the pin style.
SPEAKER_03If we get through the full two rounds, that would be amazing.
SPEAKER_02I mean, honestly, like, let me let me just I'll say this out loud. When I was like thinking of this question in my brain, I was like, it wouldn't surprise me if we got into round three. Like I'm not going like people are nuts on that first day. It's a Saturday. I get that. Like, not everybody's paying attention to everything, but also no one is working, or most of us are not working.
SPEAKER_03So, like, I think we've got a and we've already told me that they're gonna watch it, but they have like like kids' birthday parties and different things like that. What better thing to do at a kid's birthday party than do your dynasty startup trip? I mean, I don't know. Just just tell your this, just tell your wife that this is more important than family right now, and she'll understand. No, she will not. Do not say that.
SPEAKER_02That's a terrible thing to say.
SPEAKER_03Say it and just tell them Robert told you to say it.
SPEAKER_02No, I definitely didn't say that. Uh we've got family stuff too, but I'll be I'll be keeping an eye on it. Thankfully, I've got an early pick, so I know uh by 9 15 it'll probably be my pick. Like that's I'm pretty confident that maybe not 9 15, but I would say 9 30. I think by 9 30 I'll be on the clock.
SPEAKER_03Todd takes forever. You know that it's gonna be like Todd, like Dalen has the first pick. He's gonna go pretty quick.
SPEAKER_02He already knows who he's taking.
SPEAKER_03I've already talked to him. Todd with the second pick. So Dalen's gonna pick, it'll be like 9.05. Todd will be on the clock. It's gonna be like 10:30 before Todd makes his pick. You watch it because that's the way Todd is. I'll watch. That's what he's always doing.
SPEAKER_02I'm fine with being wrong about this, but uh, but it'll be fun. The the dynasty startup draft, always a blast. Always going to be fun to give, and we'll we'll have to come back after in about a month and a half when our draft is finally done. We can come back and do some, we can do some superlatives. And the great thing is because this league is so nuts, we'll have all kinds of superlatives that we can go to.
SPEAKER_03I think we come back, I think we come back not when the draft's over, we come back in a couple or two, yeah, mid-draft, and then we can do that.
SPEAKER_02Same thing, same thing as Todd. Every 10 rounds we talk about all those things.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. We'll come back, we'll give them nicknames, we'll give superlatives every 10 rounds. That works for you.
SPEAKER_02The person that sucked for the last 10 rounds is that'll be good. Uh awesome. All right, Matt. Anything we missed tonight? Anything you want to bring up before we uh wrap things up?
SPEAKER_03I am excited that it's finally here. You and me both. It's like Christmas, but uh it really is. And that's better. Fair enough.
SPEAKER_02All right. Well, for Matt, I'm Robert. We're signing off saying goodnight, and uh we'll talk to you all next time. Peace out.