The RB and Preher Show
Just a couple of guys hanging out, talking fantasy football, and taking their keeper and dynasty leagues way too seriously. Each week, Robert Brookman and Matt Preher (yeah, like "prayer") break down the drama, trades, matchups, and waiver wire wins from their own leagues—and probably roast a league mate or two along the way. If you love fantasy, friendship, and the kind of banter only long-time league rivals can bring, you just found your new favorite podcast. Wise listeners welcome.
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This is the RB and Prayer Show. Just a couple of guys hanging out and talking fantasy football. Now, here are your hosts, Robert and Matt.
SPEAKER_02All right. Welcome in. This is the RB and Prayer Show brought to you by nobody. But Matt, Matt, and I here again talking football. It's been a little while. If I am looking at this correctly, the NFL draft is in six days, 23 hours, 25 minutes as of almost right now. So it's Thursday night. The NFL draft is right around the corner. I'm pretty excited. Yeah, we're both excited. This is a this is a fun time of year. So knowing that the NFL draft is right around the corner tonight, Matt and I are going to be talking about a couple of things. One, one talk about, we didn't we're gonna talk about this last time, but discuss one of our new leagues that we're gonna be chronicling as a part of the podcast. A uh, I think I called it an everything bagel of a league last time. You did, yes.
SPEAKER_01Um I like to call it legit and awesome and close to real NFL.
SPEAKER_02I don't know about that like that. I don't know if I would say go that far, but it's we'll talk about that league in a little bit. We're gonna talk about there's been a flurry of trades in our dynasty league that we need to, we're not gonna cover them all, but we definitely want to cover a handful of them. Uh, and then we're gonna spend most of our time talking about the rookies that we like and doing a two-round mock draft based on our dynasty league, which for those that aren't a part of that, which is hopefully most of our listeners, but probably not, um, our dynasty league, which has just a mountain of trades, it seems like no one owns their pick anymore. So we're just gonna go back and forth and uh fill that up. That's how it should be.
SPEAKER_01That's how you're right. If you're not trading, you're not trying in dynasty. That's what I was saying.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you're not doing something right. So, all right, Matt, let's jump in and talk about the everything bagel of the league. Matt, you are the commissioner. You've named this league the League of Boom because you, I'm guessing, went to Chat GPT, and that's the best option it gave you. But you've started a new dynasty league, a new dynasty league with some folks from other leagues as well as some newcomers as well. And and we're really excited about it. You also decided that you were gonna put to a vote a number of rules, and it felt like, at least to me from the outside, that everything passed. So this this is a I can't help it.
SPEAKER_01This is a God wanted everything. You voted for all you voted for all the rules, except for one. There was one rule that I know you didn't vote for that did definitely everything else I'm pretty sure you voted for that passed.
SPEAKER_02No, there were some things I voted against that I I know passed for sure. Um so so new dynasty league, new dynasty league, 12 teams. Uh, we're gonna have a startup draft actually uh in about three weeks, four weeks, something like that. I think it's four weeks.
SPEAKER_01I think it's about two, maybe even three weeks after uh the NFL draft. Yeah, it starts like a week after our other current dynasty league starts.
SPEAKER_02Yep. So the the fun parts about this this is a dynasty startup. It is a super flex dynasty startup that is PPR with tight end premium and IDP. Um let me do want to talk about and defending the code. Let me just explain ridiculous things. Yeah, that you agree.
SPEAKER_01Okay, first off, the frank and first off, we wanted you and I, this all started stemmed from a discussion that you and I had. I don't know if we had it on this podcast or if it was just like kind of offline, but it was as part of this prep for this podcast, but we really wanted to do IDP. You were in on that. You that was the whole point, and so we went the route of trying to get it in to our current existing dynasty league. Um, it did not pass as well as it needed to be. It was very, very close, but I know for a fact that we would have lost a few guys that didn't want to do it, that were really against it, and then I didn't want to like have to find three or four new players. So I decided, all right, we'll keep our dynasty league the same, but I'll throw it out there. Let me see if we can get another dynasty league. Ended up creating another dynasty league, did it as IVP. Um, and then yeah, I wanted to throw in some of the rules. Like, A, in Dynasty, you have to have you have to have PPR for those listening at home, points per reception. Um, and then another one, the other two rules, I guess they're these two rules. I know you didn't want to do either of these now that I think about it. It's the super flex. I know you were against that, that did pass. Uh the super flex, those listening at home. You have an additional flex spot that can be a quarterback. So it's essentially a two-quarterback league. Uh quarterbacks much more valuable. And then you've got uh tight end premium, which means tight ends, they get an extra. Well, everyone gets one point per reception, tight ends get one and a half. And so it's it puts a little bit more value on that tight end spot. Um, it's not like crazy, but it I actually like the tight end premium because it helps kind of even out with all the wide receivers and the wide receiver glutton, that buttony that kind of happens, um, puts a little bit more importance on that, not much, but a little bit. And then there with the super flex, I played in my first superflex league. Superflex has become, I think, like nationally, just the most popular and common league type right now, even in Dynasty. And so I'm a big fan of that. And so yeah, I'm just I was like, let's just go all in. Let's go all in.
SPEAKER_02Do it if you're gonna step in the water, you might as well jump in all the way. So we we hit this league starts nine offensive players, eight defensive players, and then I don't know how many bench spots we have.
SPEAKER_01It's a 35-round uh startup draft. Because we've also got the uh the the uh what's it called? The the gosh, what's it called? The the spot, the cab. Now I've my taxi squad. Taxi squad. Taxi squad. Thank you. Cab. We have the taxi squad uh where you can put like rookies, um, first or second year players um on that and just kind of maintain them. I mean, every year after this, it's just gonna be that four-round rookie draft. But you know, it's just fun, it's just part of it. It's have you have you mocked? Have you done a mock yet for this? Yeah, they're insane.
SPEAKER_02They're just insane.
SPEAKER_01And the best part is it's a slow draft. So like over or under, this draft will actually take let's say I would say a month, 21 days.
SPEAKER_0235 rounds by 12 teams in a slow draft. I mean, early on, we're gonna we might get through a maybe around, maybe around a day.
SPEAKER_01It starts Saturday morning. We'll probably get through the first couple rounds, I would think, on Saturday. Yeah, and then it'll slow way down. Yes, then it'll slow way, especially on Monday when people go back to work. We'll spend a whole day where it'll be.
SPEAKER_02Just because you set it up where I can. So um, all right. So that's the new level. I can also change it and where I just pick for you. No, you don't get to do that. You you have bylaws that you had AI write up for you, and then you documented them all and put them in a shared folder for everybody.
SPEAKER_01So first off, what's all the hate with AI? You helped create this podcast using AI, sir. AI created the agenda for our normal routine and names and all that kind of stuff. Um, no, I gave AI, I told it, here's all the rules, here's all the things, and then it put it in like a nice. I'm just saying you can't you come on. You as the league. You you got a little you got a little chubby, you got a little chuddy there when uh when you saw that document. You loved it. No, I definitely did not.
SPEAKER_02Yes, you did. Holy cow. I saw it. You did. You are disgusting. We're off the rails. All right, so that's the new league we're gonna be talking about. We've got uh about a month until that league's gonna kick off and we'll run through some things there. The great thing is that because the draft is gonna take us a month, we might have multiple episodes uh covering a couple of rounds each. So we can talk about the draft in real time. Um, all right. Jumping forward, we have had a ton of movement in our dynasty league, a ton of trades. We talked about a couple of the trades last time we were on here. In particular, we we actually didn't spend as much time on the dynasty trades as we did on the trade in the keeper league that Todd made with me. But uh now we come back to the dynasty league, and there's a handful of them. There's quite a few actually that that I wanted to necessarily hit on here, uh, depending on how much time we got. So looking back to the last time we chatted, uh, if I look at just the trades that are out there, there's been probably about 10, 15 trades. Um I gotta find the very, very first one that I went back to. Uh so Dalen, oh, I'm sorry, Dalen did pick up, but Dalen made a bunch of moves. I think you were actually the very first trade I called out. You received Byshal Tutin and sent away Dalton Kincaid. That's kind of an interesting trade. I don't, you know, we don't have to spend a ton of time on every single one. But if you had 20 seconds to talk about your Bichal Tutin for Dalton Kincaid trade, what did what was your thinking there?
SPEAKER_01Uh I mean, for me, I needed a lot of help. I mean, I've got Colton Loveland, Colson Loveland already as my he's my starter tight end. So Kincaid is really just a bi-week filler. I have a couple other tight ends that I thought pre acceptable as bi-week fillers, and I thought you know he had some value. Um, he had a decent year last year when he was healthy. I think that's his whole issue. So I thought, let me just see. I really like for longtime listeners, I've said this before. I've got like the thing that lacks on my dynasty team has always been running backs. Um, I've kind of used last year, really reset my wide receivers, have a I think a decent wide receiver room, but now I really need running back help and I like where Tutin's at. I mean, I don't think he's gonna be anything crazy, but I needed something. I I did not have two startable running backs on my roster, and I have to start to. So I figured let me get him because I like him or Manongai, and I could not get Manongai for nothing. He will not trade him for nothing.
SPEAKER_02You are the worst at counting 20 seconds that I have ever seen.
SPEAKER_01Uh all right.
SPEAKER_02That's your job.
SPEAKER_01My job is to be the talent. My job is to tell you to shut up.
SPEAKER_02I'm not gonna tell you to stop in the middle of your sentence. Good producers, steer the conversation. All right, all right, all right. Okay, next trade. So Dalen Dalen being the worst team in the league last year, but a ton of moves. He trades uh the 109, which he had picked up from someone else, for Kyron Williams in a trade. This is kind of earlier last month, uh, and Kyron Williams ends up coming up again. I think it's kind of an interesting trade. Um, I I was interested in Kyron as well. I have the 111, but if I remember right, he wasn't up for sending the 111 for Kyron. It was a little bit too little. So Kyron goes for a 109. Uh kind of interesting. Like I said, he comes up again here in just a couple uh of minutes. Uh next trade I want to look at, uh if I can find it again, is we had we had Rashad White get shipped around actually a handful of times, like in really quick succession. Uh, he got traded twice in the course of a half hour, which I find very funny. But the other one I want to call out is so Levi takes the 109 that he got for Kyron, packages it with TJ Hawkinson, and then moves up to the 106. An interesting move for Levi. I I like it. I think Hawkinson to me is kind of at the end of his career. So if you I could package him with a back of first pick to get into the middle of the first.
SPEAKER_01No, I like it for Levi. I don't know why Mike would make that trade. Like you said, Hawkinson, like, I think he's just done at this point. He does not, after that injury, and then yeah, he's got a much better quarterback now, but I just can't see him really being a top 10 tight end at all.
SPEAKER_02Yep. Then looking forward, here's our next Kyron trade. Kyron gets packaged with the 209 for a package of Travis Etienne or ATN, I don't know how you say it. Travis Etienne. Everybody knows who I'm talking about when I say Travis Etienne. Travis Etienne combined with uh Travis Hunter and the 204 for Kyron. What do you think of this deal? Um, I actually talked to Dalen about this.
SPEAKER_01I I I do think it's pretty fair. I still think I would probably rather the Kyron side just because I mean I do like Travis Etienne. I think he's maybe got like I think he'll be really good this year. I worry about him after this year. So if it's maybe take him, use him, and then package him for something else, sure. 204 to 209 in this draft, I don't think there's a whole lot of differences, to be honest. You're just dart throws. And then the Travis Hunter thing. Now, this was so at this point, just to call it out, we had already had a lot of scuttle butt. And I think there was some earlier report like a month ago that had said that Hunter was gonna play more cornerback, but this was before their GM here over the last like week actually came out and said it himself. Now, Hunter has also kind of disputed that on some podcast or interview that he did or something a couple days later. But um I I talked to Dalen. He he really likes ETN. I think that he was just kind of meh on Kyron Williams, um, you know, because he but he's valuable. So I think it Dalen did a really good job of like if it's a guy you didn't really care for, but you he get him and turned him into something. I mean, he basically turned what the 109 into Travis Hunter, ETN and the 204. It's not really too bad at all, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_02No, I I I think this is a pretty even trade, honestly. I was trying to see, like, Kyron feels like he's been in the league for a really long time, and then again, so has Travis Etienne. Um, Travis Etienne is two years older than Kyron. But the way I look at it is the Rams might be a rebuilding team in a year, right? Like Stafford may be gone. They may Devontae Adams will probably be done at that point, and then you're left with Puka and Kyron and whatever wide receiver they draft this year. Yeah, Mikai Lemon maybe, or Terrence Ferguson. I don't know. Yeah, they'll they'll have a lot of young pieces, but they also could just decide to tear it down and rebuild. It just, I don't know. I don't know about Kyron. Same thing for Travis Etienne. He's 27. He could play a year or two in in New Orleans and have a really good, uh, solid you know, couple of years, but he might be done in a year or two. Like, so I think those two in general are kind of a wash to me at least. I think they're basically the same person, and it's not just kind of who do you like? The 204 to 209, to your point, they're both dark throws. Like, I don't think you're gonna find anybody at those spots that you're really, really excited about taking. I think it's more like who do I think might work out in two years? And for everything that's going on with Travis Hunter, he's still a highly touted prospect, and he's in his second year. Uh, there's just as good a chance that he comes back and plays wide receiver later in the season. You know, uh Jacoby Myers gets hurt, or uh I still think that he's the second best wide receiver on that team. I do I do too. I do too. But I think they could they could send Brian Thomas away throughout the course of this year, and then it becomes um what's the dude's name that was there that was so good at the end of last year? Um Parker Washington. Parker Washington, thank you. Yeah, I mean Parker Washington, Jacoby Myers, and and you run uh Travis Hunter out there every now and again, like he'll do enough. And they he could get traded somewhere else, and they decide they want to use him a different way. Like his career is is just kind of at the at the starting point.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he's definitely not a guy I would drop, but he is a you can't expect anything for at least a couple years.
SPEAKER_02But the nice thing about this league is that it's we have taxi squads. If you're really that concerned about this, put him on your taxi squad and move on, right? Yeah, just let him sit there and figure out what's going on this year. Um, all right, moving forward, we had another interesting trade. I like I I like this one for uh for team D Blankey here. He receives, yeah, he receives Quenchon Judkins. I don't know why people keep trading with him. That man, yeah, and this was a good trade. I I I don't hate the other side of it. I I see the value on both sides. He receives Quench on Judkins coming off of a major leg injury, but uh uh really good. Power counts will be fine. Yeah, for Bucky Irving and Chimray DK. I think so. To me, Chimray DK is probably the best wide receiver in Tennessee right now. I don't think he starts the season that way, but he is for now. I think what he showed last year was enough for him to at least retain the second spot on that team. And you know, in and I think I started him a couple of times last year, just in a pinch. So I think he's not a bad, bad player. And Bucky has shown it in the past, and Rashad White's gone. Um would it be the craziest thing if Bucky, I don't think he's ever gonna jump back to like top, top five, but if he's a top 12 running back, I mean, you know, it's short term versus long term for sure, but I don't think it's the worst pickup in the world.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I you don't like Judge. And so I hate this trade, uh just for the sheer fact of I think Bucky is on the way down. I'm actually surprised. How old do you think Bucky Irving is?
SPEAKER_02He's probably like 24, 25, something like that.
SPEAKER_01He's 23. Yeah, that's I was surprised that he's that that he's that young. But even with him being 23, yeah, I I agree with what you everything you said about DK. But my only thing is that even with all of that, he's still going to be maybe a wide receiver three at his absolute peak this season, I think. Because we don't do, I mean, like he's he's different if you have like punt and kick return yardage added into the score. He would be much bigger, but we don't do that in our league. So therefore, and he's got a crappy quarterback thrown to him because he doesn't have you know the one and only great Will Levis. Um produce it, man.
SPEAKER_02The Will Levis power minute. I was more thinking about actually talking about football and not about Will Levis. So it's caught me off.
SPEAKER_01I can't wait for him to have a lap be done, go to free agency, and then go after the Niners as a backup and then get under Kyle Shanahan's too little to be the first career Jones. Yes. We keep seeing it happen, man. We know it can be done. All right. So so coming back I I think that Drew, I mean, yes, I think it's a good new wise the value.
SPEAKER_02I don't even know if it's even. I I think it's I I don't hate it as much, but like I see I bet the calculators have it heavy on the Judkins side.
SPEAKER_01No, I think you're right. I think that Judkins was definitely the winner, but it wasn't like 10 to 1 or anything crazy. But yeah, you have to really like. I mean, I just guess Ben really likes Bucky Irving. I'll be my only guess.
SPEAKER_02Well, let's move forward. So Dalen then turns around, takes some of the assets. You said, oh man, he really likes Travis Etienne. He traded Travis Etienne less than a month later.
SPEAKER_01No, I said he must like him unless you want to turn around and change him.
SPEAKER_02I actually forgot that this happened. So he Dalen goes out and sends Travis Etienne, Rashad Bateman, who has just been like passed around. And that 204 that he picked up in the Travis Etienne trade. So at this point, he's traded the 109 back for Etienne Hunter and the 204. Now he packages Bateman. So he's still got Travis Hunter, but he's giving up the 204 to go get Marv. Um to me, this would have been a much stronger trade like two years ago. I would have felt so much better about this entire thing. This this trade two years ago wouldn't have been allowed to be happening. Right. That's true. That's true. I I don't know if I like this one all that much. Like, I just it's a weird I think for all the things that he did. Have you ever seen somebody that does the challenge where they're like, hey, take this paper clip and see what you can trade it for? And you trade it all the way up to something crazy. And then at the very end, the person, like, if you watch The Office before, you know, Dwight does this at the yard sale and the uh and he gets to the end and then he trades it for the magic. And they're nothing like that's what this feels like is that Dalen put in all this work to trade back, to get gather these players, and then to look back at it and say, I had the 109 and I ended up with Marv and Travis Hunter. Like, okay, it's probably still worth the more than the 109. I'll give you that all day. Because I have no clue who the 109 probably even is. We'll talk about that in a little bit. But like I don't love it.
SPEAKER_01I just Marv is such a head case. I mean, let me ask you this. Do you think, knowing what we know today, do you think Marv is even the wide receiver one on his team?
SPEAKER_02Uh with Jacoby Brissett as quarterback? Probably not.
SPEAKER_01No, I don't I agree. That's Michael Wilson. I think that would be a good thing. That's really how that team lines up. No, you're no you're right. So that that's even worse because that means that he's pretty much pass catcher number three on the team. And like I agree, like, yes, he's young, and Dalen's trying to get young assets, and he's a first round pick in the real world who those guys hold their value for a long time, especially as wide receivers, but it's just he's not he's not a foundational piece for your team when you're trying to trade. Like that to me is what Dalen's, I think, maybe looking for is like a foundational piece, and he just doesn't have that yet.
SPEAKER_02Here's a question: how many weeks next year do you see Marv sitting on his bench? 16 weeks. Oh, on Dalen's bench? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01On his bench, I thought you meant the Cardinals' bench. I was like, No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_02I mean, in fantasy, how many weeks do you think you would be like, man, I'm gonna sit Marv? No, he's got a bad team, so he's probably not sitting in the town.
SPEAKER_01Because he has a bad team, probably not any. I mean, well, with his much more trade, which we'll talk about here in a second.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_01I guess he might be. I think the better question is how many times would he be a flex starter on his team? Probably. Not the bench. The flex, I think, would be most weeks. Yeah. I think bench might not be as common because he doesn't really have much else. All right. Uh past that.
SPEAKER_02Couple more trades we want to hit on real really quickly. So you made another trade with gutter balls. You gave up the 110 and the 205 to move up to the 105. Um, this is another head scratcher to me. Like, if I had the 105 and you came to me with this, I'd have been like, even here's here's a good metric if you're ever thinking about pick swapping. Go out and look at any mock rookie draft and just put players' names into the spots that you're looking at trading picks and decide: are you okay with trading this one person who's the 105, Kenyon Sadiq, for whoever is going to go at the 110 and the 205? The 205 could be just about anybody. It's probably somebody you really haven't spent any time hearing about on any podcast. The 110, maybe that's Fernando Mendoza. So it might not actually be him in your specific draft, but that's a good way to measure what I trade Kenyan Sadiq and what I think about him for Mendoza plus another guy who's probably like a third stringer on a team somewhere that might be a day three pick. I don't know if I do that. And you made this trade, and I know you're just gloating about it because you got the 105.
SPEAKER_01I have not gloated at all. I have not said one word. You're you're and I would never say anything to disparage another member of our wonderful league. Um, I'll all I will say is I did not expect this trade to be accepted, and I was just very happy that it was.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And I really appreciate Josh for accepting my trade.
SPEAKER_02This was one just like the trade that I made for Jefferson and that pick last week. I didn't expect to be answered.
SPEAKER_01Yes. If you if you I will say this though, you uh you were saying this offline before we got in. I know you just mentioned Sadiq, but some people are not a big fan of him. And if you don't really like him, to me, then the next group is just kind of a hodgepodge. It's not the same thing.
SPEAKER_02The concept, yeah. The concept is put a player's name to the pick. Don't just offer it up as a pick and then say, well, would I be okay with giving the 105 for the 110? Like it's very hard to gauge them off of that. But yeah, moving forward, there's three more trades that we want to talk about quickly. One, so Levi and Ben make a swap, a wide receiver swap, kind of an odd one, too. Chris Godwin straight up for Mike, Michael Pittman. Um Chris Godwin is obviously meh for meh. Yeah, I opinion. I'll tell you what, Pittman in Pittsburgh, to me, I I could see it work. Like, I don't know. I have a weird feeling about it.
SPEAKER_01I just I think I think it's it was they were so close to emboding last year.
SPEAKER_02I'm not saying I'm gonna go acquire Michael Pittman. I'm saying I don't hate the landing spot, and I think like I could see it being better for the team and the playoffs.
SPEAKER_01I don't. I don't. He went from being in a fight, he went from being like number one in terms of target share on a team that was doing well.
SPEAKER_02He wasn't gonna stay there. Ty Tyler Warren was gonna take that spot from him this year. Let's be honest about that.
SPEAKER_01But but he goes to a team, like it's just I don't know why you look at the what the Pittsburgh Steelers did last year and think, oh yeah, I want to be part of that. Like it's just a good coach. That's what it is. They do have what I mean. Mike McCarthy will be much better on offense than Tomlin was, but still, like it's just you got Aaron Rodgers throwing to you. He has no arm anymore. Like, it's just not and you're the clear number two.
SPEAKER_02Like, I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm going out and trying to get him. I'm saying I could see how it might work, and I'm I'm less apprehensive about it than you.
SPEAKER_01I prefer, I mean, like I think both of these are, like I said, meh for for meh. Like it's like whatever. Um, I think I would prefer the Godwin side just because he's the clear wide receiver too, and we've seen they throw it. We know they're both the clear wide receiver too. What are you talking about? Yeah, but like, but what is what is Pittsburgh gonna do? They're not gonna be throwing it all over the place. Like, Aaron Rodgers ain't gonna be throwing for three 350 yards a game. Baker might, but you're because they're not gonna be able to do anything else. Like, they're gonna have to. Like Aaron Rodgers, they're gonna have a defense and they're gonna run the ball, and Aaron Rodgers loves to check the ball down, so he's gonna be checking down the Jalen Warren and Rico Double all day, and then you know, might against some Pat Fryermouth.
SPEAKER_02He's over the stone short distinct range. I think we've spent too much time on this train.
SPEAKER_01No, we haven't. Yes, we have Pittman is a perfect it. I think it was great for the real world. I don't think it's gonna be that great fantasy-wise.
SPEAKER_02It's a it's a washman easy trait.
SPEAKER_01You want to have our first board bet of the season? I mean, I think Chris Godwin.
SPEAKER_02Godwin versus Pittman.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think Chris Godwin will end the season as a higher just overall ranking, higher ranked wide receiver uh than Michael Pittman.
SPEAKER_02Are we doing ranking or fantasy points? I'll just say fantasy points. Total fantasy points.
SPEAKER_01Well, yeah, that's what I meant. Like he's the wide receiver number whatever. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02All right, first four for 2027. Godwin 2026. Oh my gosh, yeah, here I versus I don't know what. What are you looking forward to? Goodness gracious. I'm looking forward to next year's rookie draft. That's one thing. That is true. Godwin versus Fitman fantasy points. All right. Uh now we get to the the really interesting ones. I think the last two are probably the most interesting. I know you were heavily involved in one. I I don't think you were in the other one. So Matt, you give up. You over the course of last year and this offseason have acquired many, many first-round picks. In essence, you had before this trade happened. Actually, no, I don't know, man. No, let me just say what I'll say. Let me just Matt, you owned the 103, the 104, and the 105.
SPEAKER_01I think did you have any other firsts? I think you not when I had these three, no. Right. I had I'll tell you those in a second. But yeah.
SPEAKER_02Those three. And you uh work with Dalen, who is the worst team in the league and owns a bunch of first-round picks, including the 101. You trade 103, 104, 105 for 101, 107, 201, and Romeo Dobbs. So go ahead and tell your story now, because I'm sure you're gonna tell a story.
SPEAKER_01No, there's no story. Um I have been working to try to get that 101 for a long time. I think Jeremiah Love is a generational talent. I think that he is clear and he is head and shoulders clear above everyone else. I think that if this was the draft last year, he would have been the one-on-one. And I think if this was the draft next year, he would be fighting for that one-on-one spot against Jeremiah Smith. Like, I think he is that good of a talent. I think he's better than Genty. I think he is pretty much as good of a running back prospect as we have seen since, in my opinion, probably Bijan um or Gibbs, whichever one came out second. I don't remember. Or were they in the same draft?
SPEAKER_02Bijon was like fifth, and Gibbs got taken surprisingly at like 12, I think.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean I meant year. Were they in the same draft that year?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, okay. I don't I don't remember. I think they were, but I'm not 100% sure.
SPEAKER_01So, and I even think that there's a possibility that Love might have been taken higher, maybe not over Bijan, but over Gibbs, at least at the time. Because you know, no one really knew respect on Gibbs.
SPEAKER_02Gibbs was a real surprise when they took him.
SPEAKER_01But I love Love. I think he's gonna be phenomenal. I, unlike you, think he's gonna be like, I think it's kind of doesn't really matter where he lands, even from like, even like let's look at Dente last year. He went to a perfect situation, but it didn't materialize, and he was very disappointing. And like he went, when I say perfect situation, he went because like he didn't have any competition. He went with a coach that had been historically known for running the ball, like that's what he loved to do. So even if he goes to a situation that's not great, he's going to be the clear cut number one, um, especially if he gets drafted in that top 10. And so I'm I just think it's gonna be great. And I think it's one of those things that when I looked at it, when I looked at my roster, my team, I already had neighbors, I had uh Alec Pierce, I have Tet McMillan. Like I didn't really need like three wide receivers or two wide receivers in a tight end because I also have Colson Loveland. I but I had like we said before, I had no running backs. Like my best running back was Tootin, who is not an RB1, maybe not even necessarily an RB2. And so I really need running back help. And so just finagling my way, I'm pretty proud of myself, as if you can't tell. I'm glad that I was able to get to it. Look, I'm all I'm saying is when you look back on this, I have had out of the first round in this draft, I have at one point owned the 101, the 103, the 104, the 105, the 107, the 110, and the 112. I have at one point owned seven out of the 12 picks. Well, not all at the same time. No, no, no, no, not all at the same time. No, but just at some point, but you know, like the great Michael Fabiano says, if you ain't trading, you ain't trying. It's just it's just how it is. But like I think I actually think when I put this into the numbers, it's a pretty even trade. Um, it's close. It's actually in favor of Dalen for those three first round picks. But when I looked at it, I just I knew I was gonna get two of the top three wide receivers, and there's just so many questions still, even on those guys. Like I even think I think out of the three, the only one that to me has a shot at being a legit wide receiver one in the NFL is Tyson, but he's got all the injury issues, so who knows if that'll ever actually materialize. And so I just I I just I wanted to go with love for that. And I like I th I like who you can still get up until about that seventh. If that was the 108, for example, I don't think I would have done it because I don't like who I would have gotten that that who would be available, which we'll talk about soon, at the 108. Yeah. No, I would what do you what do you hate about this trade? What did I do wrong?
SPEAKER_02I feel like I'm a lot more level-headed than you are when it comes to looking at these types of things. Here's what I'll say about this trade. I I'm not surprised when you told me, if you look this up and calculate it, that it's pretty even, if it's not just barely weighted towards the the three picks. To me, this trade kind of screams like team need, especially knowing this draft. Like this this is very clearly, if I look at the Dobbs 101, 201, 107 picks. I mean, three of the two of those picks I would bet are probably running backs, if and maybe the third one is a wide receiver or something like that. Like it kind of depends on who's there at 107, but I mean, you know, that could be the the wide receiver, and then 201 is one of the other running backs that's uh day two, early day three type guys. I think the other side is clearly pass catchers, especially with how all of the mock drafts are going right now. It kind of depends on what you think about Sadiq. And I think what I would expect to happen is give this trade a week, and when you start to see the NFL draft, how it's gonna play out and what's gonna happen, I think this trade will look even more even. Um, just based on some of the mocks that I've been seeing about where Lemon, where Tyson, where Tate end up going.
SPEAKER_01Like I mean, some of these guys, like honestly, I was real worried that some of these guys are gonna go to the Jets. Like one of those goes to the Jets, like, yeah, they'd be the clear wide receiver two, but you're gonna be the clear wide receiver two on an offense that is terrible, but the quarterback that's not good on and a team that's gonna be trying to run the ball.
SPEAKER_02But again, like to me, I know we have a different view on Love. Uh I I am not saying that I don't think he's gonna be a great player someday.
SPEAKER_01I think love will be a top 30 running back this season.
SPEAKER_02Uh I mean again, it it I'm not gonna make that bet right now because I want to see where he lands before I start to think how high he can go. I think I told you this beforehand, uh, before we started recording. If he goes to the Giants, year one, I think, is probably a lot more split than year two. And again, for you as a rebuilding team, that's probably just fine. Like you have no problems with just waiting a little bit and being okay with that. I think same thing you could probably expect out of some of those wide receivers. That are they gonna come out and just be blazing out of the gates? I think Mikhail, let's assume maybe he goes to the Rams in the first round. I think they have 17 or something like that. Like a great landing spot, could look really weird this year. Um, again, like I mean heck, that's Tate going to New Orleans. New Orleans, like, I mean New Orleans looks a lot different than Tate in Cleveland. Yeah. So like that's what I'm saying. Is just I think right now, with not having any draft capital, it's a pretty even trade. I I honestly think once the draft capital comes through, it's probably still gonna look pretty even.
SPEAKER_01And you know, do you which is what you want. Like, that's yeah, yeah. I'm not trying to yeah, ruin the I wanted the 101 and I'm not trying to ruin the fleece. No, and I'm not trying to fleece Valen. So like it's I think the best when I believe it or not, when I go into trades, I try to look for trades that I think are actually even and can hit at like a need for both people. That's when it gets frustrating to me, and when I get really crappy offers, or like someone offering two thirds and a fourth for one of my first round picks, because that happened. Um, or uh uh when I do it and just guys refuse to trade other dudes because they're just so tied to somebody, um, we even though I feel like the trade could actually help their team and help my team. So, but yeah, no, I think it's a pretty even trade.
SPEAKER_02It's an even trade. I I personally like the 3-4-5 side, I think more. Maybe it's a little bit because I'm not as high on love as you are. No, that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_01You have to be, but but it's also if I wasn't as high on love, and also if I had a decent starting running back, just like even an RB2, like I that I felt conf really confident in, then I wouldn't have probably made that trade. Yeah. But because this draft was so bad with running backs, like I would actually disagree with something that you said. I would be surprised if we have a second running back go in the first round of rookie drafts.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah. I think the the money is on like one and a half as the line for rookie. Yeah, like it's round. So yeah, I'm not I wouldn't be surprised. I think the the actual like spot that everybody is looking at is the second running back to go at 31 to Seattle or whatever the city. 32. 32. So yeah, yeah. All right, one more trade we want to look at. So overall, good job, Matt. Pat yourself on the back. Um, all right, last trade though. We have Tark and Levi make a little bit of a swap, lots of picks, not a ton of like really important picks. Yeah, hefty picks. So so Levi receives Mike Evans, the newly minted 49er, Mike Evans, uh, along with 401 and 403. Okay, I don't even know if I need to mention those. But he also pieces he gets Mike Evans in the 112, and he sends away Michael Wilson, the 410. So again, another throw-in piece, and the 106. So it's essentially a trade of Michael Wilson and the 106 for Mike Evans and the 112. I again, this is this is like old proven pieces versus young prove it type pieces to me. Like Mike Evans is the stud in this entire trade. I think he's the the number one piece. I don't think the one the 106 is at a weird spot in rookie drafts. We're like it really depends on what you think of everybody after Sadiq. It's the teardrop.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it is. It's the next, it's the really big teardrop.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it is. So like Michael Wilson, great season, but like definitely approve it. Like he's he's still got a long way to go to actually like be trustworthy. And then you get the 106, which is a bit of a dart throw. So is the 112, but you know, Mike Evans is kind of the the steady eddy in this whole thing. What do you what do you think of this one?
SPEAKER_01No, I think it's about the same. Um, I th I do think it's funny because Levi, who is a big Tampa Bay fan, now has traded for both Chris Godwin and Mike Evans. And I think he's just trying to relive the glory days or something over there. Uh, but I think I think Evans will be it Levi has to be wanting to try to go for it this year by acquiring Godwin and acquiring Evans. Like those guys are not, they're kind of on their last legs, especially Evans. I think Evans will be really San Francisco. Yeah, exactly. How long is he gonna last? He's gonna start growing a third arm or something. Uh but I it yeah, I mean, I personally I think I would prefer the Michael Wilson and the 106 side, because I think what you'll get at 106 is gonna be way better than what you can get at 112. But, you know, and with Michael Wilson, um, I think he showed us something. We were kind of talking about it. I do think with Jacoby Brissett as the quarterback, he's gonna be he is above Marvin Harrison um in that pecking order, and it's gonna be a team that's gonna stink on defense, and they're not gonna have a great running game, um, and they're gonna have to throw the ball. So they're gonna it's gonna be, I think what we saw at the second half of last year, really from Jacoby Brissett and that team, I think we're gonna see a lot. And I don't think Michael Wilson is gonna score, you know, average 25 to 27 points every week, but I think he'll be averaging 15-17 points. Like he'll be probably pretty close to Mike Evans, in my opinion, to make it be is it the 106 or the 112th? Well, the 106. That's better. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I I tend to agree with you. Although I I do, again, this is one of those trades that's like you said it up front, Levi's going for it this year. I do think it's a it's very much a uh what's your team makeup? Um, yep, and and whether or not if you're a contender, like in my position, I'm a contender in that league. Um, I'm not trading away every single pick I got, but I'm I'm definitely more of a contender than not. I would be interested in the Mike Evans side of that deal um over the Michael Wilson and the 106 because I don't really care about the 106 all that much. And you know, Mike Evans is Mike Evans, and I trust him. I trust the Shanahan system. I think he's gonna have I I could see him having a very good year next year. So I like that one, but you know what? I didn't make the trade, Levi did. So, all right. Last thing, Matt, we're gonna jump right in. I'm I'm calling a little bit of an audible. So we were gonna talk about overrated, underrated players. We're still gonna do that, but we're gonna do that as a part of the mock draft. So the way that we're doing the mock draft tonight is we've got our board pulled up, we're gonna talk. Through and I'll be making all of the even picks. Um, I'm sorry, all the odd picks. I keep saying it backwards, and Matt, you're gonna be making all the even picks. Now we are using a draft board that is the draft board currently as it stands. Not you know, Matt might trade the 101 for like 15 first-round picks. I don't know. Um, but uh we're gonna use our draft board so we get to see how some of these teams are gonna play out. So, with that, at the 101, uh, I'm gonna jump in. This is not one that we have to spend a whole lot of time talking about. We've talked a ton about him already, but the 101 is clearly Jeremiah Love. No matter what you think of him, he's the first pick. Um there's not really regular or super flex. Yeah, there's not really any reason to like to spend a lot of time on this one. So you're on the clock at the 102. Matt, who do you want?
SPEAKER_01So again, we're doing all this. I'm sure we'll come back to this and talk about any changes after the real NFL draft happens. But I think Jeremiah Love, like you said, is clear and ahead number, like he's tier one. He's in a tier by himself out of all these players. Now we're getting into tier two. Tier two to me is the three wide receivers. It's Tate, Lemon, Tyson. It's almost kind of whichever one you prefer. Um, I'm gonna say let's take Tate here at the 102. That's what I'm gonna take. I think he's got the safest floor by far out of them. The other guys may have a little bit higher of a ceiling, but I think Tate's gonna be the first wide receiver off the board in the real draft, um, which does have some clout. And then I've so I just I press Tate a bit more here.
SPEAKER_02Yep. So Bryson takes Tate, although what you said is Bryson might be looking at the different direction. I don't want to go in a different direction. I'm not gonna go in a different direction. Who knows? Yes, everybody might. Matt might take Fernando Mendoza number one overall as well.
SPEAKER_01Who knows?
SPEAKER_02So they're needing the young quarterback. The 103, I'm on the clock here, and I get the short end of the stick because the two, three, four are the three wide receivers. So it's just a matter of what order you want to put them in. You get to take the first one and then whoever I leave. To me, I I I think I have to go with Jordan Tyson. I like Jordan Tyson better than Lemon anyway. Um, yeah, I mean, I I like Amon Ra. I've got him in a bunch of leagues, and Mikai Lemon, that's all I ever hear is like he's Amon Ra.
SPEAKER_01But but I think to me, I think if all were healthy, I think Tyson is a top five pick in the real draft, and I think he's clearly the 102. But the problem is the health and it's the injuries. Like I what worries me about him is that even at he didn't do anything at the combine, and then even in his own pro day, he still didn't do like any athletic testing. That scares me. Like it just it gives me the heebie jeebies a little bit and makes my stomach turn a little bit.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_01You're not worried about like the injuries at all.
SPEAKER_02No, it's not that. Um, one, what am I gonna bump him from three to four? Would be first thought. Second thought is what I would go with, but yeah. Uh at the 103, I mean, do I want somebody who can produce right now? Like, sure. But I'm not necessarily as worried about uh some injuries from college kind of lingering into early rookie season, especially for a wide receiver. So I I like him better. I think he's probably gonna end up, even if the injury the the injury concerns might play to fantasy players' favor, you know, say uh Jordan Tyson gets pushed further down the first round because of some of the injury concerns and gets to some of the better teams that are picking later in the first round. He might end up in a better landing spot because of some of the injury concerns, and I'm yep, I'd be totally fine with that. So, yeah, Jordan Tyson's my pick at number three. Who do you want it for, Matt?
SPEAKER_01So actually, you made it really easy for me. I'm gonna take Mikai Lemon. Um, because I actually have him rated higher than Tyson. Um, and actually, I may have gone a different way if Tyson, like if you had taken Lemon, and if it was Tyson, I may have gone with who you're probably gonna take here at with a 1-5. Um, but I'll let you do that. So we're going Lemon with a four.
SPEAKER_02I'm uh but you're not very high on this guy, are you? Yeah, I'm not. That's that's the thing about it, is like I'm really not very high on him at all. Um I yeah, I I guess I have to do it. I I think it makes the most sense. Uh again, he's one that landing spot matters a lot for me, but it's Kenyon Sadiq.
SPEAKER_01Um let me ask you this. Would you prefer so you made the pick, the pick is Kenyon Sadiq at the 105. Would you prefer Kenyon Sadiq at let's say these are I think these are a couple landing spots that I've actually seen on Tampa Bay or Carolina. Or would you prefer someone like KC Conception at let's say Buffalo? Um I knowing that Buffalo did just get DJ Moore.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I didn't think that's where you were going with the mock for Sadiq. The one place I've seen that I'm really interested in would be actually New Orleans taking him um to replace Juwan Johnson. Um yeah, Carolina would scare me for sure. Um Tampa Bay wouldn't as much.
SPEAKER_01I think if he went to Tampa Bay or New Orleans, um I'd probably still lean him over you think New Orleans would take him over like Tate because I'll all I've seen is Tate or defense mock to New Orleans. I've not seen anyone mock Sadiq to them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I mean if Tate was gone early, I could see them going a different direction altogether. Um true, but yeah, I I would probably lean towards Sadiq either way. I I think what scares me with Conception Concepcion and the Bills is man, the track record on first round or early wide receivers has just been so bad. And also he reminds me a lot of um uh not Khalif Raymond. Oh gosh, what was the dude's name? The the kind of shorter wide receiver that they had last year that scored off all the points. I keep wanting to say Khalif Raymond. I know that's not right. Khalil Shakir? Khalil Shakir, thank you. Goodness. He he reminds me a lot of that, like shorter, quick, jitterbuggy type guy. And it can work. Um, but like you said, DJ Moore came to town, signed a big contract. Like, I don't know. I kind of would want to stay away from the Bills. I think there's a lot better landing spots for him that uh than that that I'd be way more interested in, and maybe we'd boost him above sneak.
SPEAKER_01But that being said, last year that we had all these running backs, they had all these amazing landing spots, and they all went to places that were not those landing spots. That's not true. All like terrible landing spots. RJ Harvey went to Denver. But they already had a starter. Like all of them, the only one that actually went to a good situation. I mean, Gensey went to the to the Raiders, but well, Hampton, they had Harris, though. Oh, Hampton, whatever. He wasn't that one he was the starter. Harris was the starter. Heck, even when Harris came back, he like took stuff from Hampton. Hampton had a down year, especially considering that he started for a good chunk of it. Judkins was the only one who went to a place that he was the clear-cut starter from day one. Except well, except for Genty, but Genty was a little bit different. But all those other ones, they all went to really bad spots. None of them went to places that needed running backs.
SPEAKER_02All right. Hey, I feel like you're filibustering because now you've got the teardrop, the the big teardrop clock between five and six. So what's your pick at at pick 106? You're on the clock. Where are you going?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think to me, this is where you could start to see we're in a one QB league. Could start to maybe see someone take a shot on Mendoza. I still I still think one six is like too high for him, personally. Um, I think you're really kind of getting it is a teardrop, and I think you're kind of looking at one of the three wide receivers, um, Conception, Cooper, or Boston. Um, to me, it's kind of a take or pick between Conception and Cooper, in my opinion. It's just kind of which one has the better landing spot, which one you like more. Um, I'm gonna take Cooper. Um, I think he's I I just like him better as a prospect. Um, but again, it's all about landing spot. He could have, I've also seen him mocked a lot to the Steelers, which I hate. I think that would be a terrible landing spot. Um what you just have to see.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So then I move to 107, which is a fun one because this again is mine. Uh and I'm trying to remember what so this to me is a little bit of a team makeup-y type pick, which uh, you know, if if if I'm sitting there as you, I don't know, man. I I actually think I might go with uh Jadarian Price. I think he's the second running back that comes off the board. I think it's to a probably a pretty good landing spot. Uh, I mean, even if Seattle doesn't take him in their first round pick, they he could be a second the second round pick that they have and still be the second running back off the board. And if everything you've shared about your team is like you need running backs, and he's as good a dart throw as any in this draft.
SPEAKER_01Um I don't I don't need as much running back help after taking love, but I would say that I would actually consider it if he or whoever Seattle takes, if Seattle takes because honestly, I think that whatever running back Seattle takes is going to be the starter um day one when the season starts. Um and if they're good, they'll keep it when Charbonnet comes back. If not, you know, they won't. So we'll just have to see who it is. Um I you know, I Jadarian Price and maybe one or two others might excite me that Seattle takes. There's some other guys that they could take that I still may draft, but I wouldn't be excited about it. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so that price at the 1-7. So I'm on clock with the 1-8. Um, well, you made my life easy. I'll take KC Concepcion. I think that's pretty easy. He's kind of the last guy, in my opinion, that's really in this tier. Um, and yes, that does include who you will probably take here with Denzel Boston, would be my guess.
SPEAKER_02Ooh, that's an interesting one. Um, so again, we're we're we're at the back of the first round, especially these guys, I feel like are just in a bucket together. And it's like, again, what do you need? Um ah man, I think that at team nine, the the ninth spot, 109 here, Mike being on the clock, Mike's gonna take Eli Stowers at 109.
SPEAKER_01To be just so you know, Mike needs quarterback health. He has like no quarterbacks on his team.
SPEAKER_02I think his best starter is I'm just looking at this as a best player available type mock draft right now.
SPEAKER_01With that, you talked about my team in need for the 107, though.
SPEAKER_02I don't think I don't think price is or better than Concepcion. So, all right, what do you want to do with 110?
SPEAKER_01All right, so the 110, um, I think that this really is there's not much else here. Uh, you know, we're looking at Fernando Mendoza, it's a one QB league, um, which maybe, but like he does nothing to excite me at all in fantasy. Um, Denzel Boston, uh, and then you're kind of really getting into you know dropping down a tier four at this point with really just kind of the next running back group um and then some kind of whatever wide receivers, but I'll go with the last really kind of, in my opinion, clear-cut first round wide receiver. Um, and that's Denzel Boston. So I'll take him with the 110. Now, am I should I be taking the 111 pick? You pick it.
SPEAKER_02You pick it up so pick 111 is mine.
SPEAKER_01Ty Simpson. Kidding. I'm not gonna do that. So what is your team? What does your team need? You tell me. Do you need more?
SPEAKER_02Let's take a look. I can pull my rush. Oh, geez, it doesn't even show. I really thought it was gonna show me here.
SPEAKER_01No, that's only your roster that you draft in the yeah, no, here's my roster.
SPEAKER_02So I've got at quarterback, Jaden Daniels, Matt Stafford, Penix. So I'm probably okay there. Brees, Jameer Gibbs, Derek Henry at running back, and then I've got Jefferson Collins, uh, Puka, Eggbuka, and Brandon Ayuk, and Josh Downs, uh as well uh at wide receiver, and then I've got a smattering of tries for tight end Tuckercraft, plus maybe Jack Town just at the beginning of the year, something like that.
SPEAKER_01So you've got really good starters, you are a little thin, I guess, on your bench. Thin and old. Yeah. Um so to me, like I don't I would not do QB, you don't need it. Um I would probably go with I mean it comes out to be a little chalk, but I would probably go with Mike Washington. I really like Mike Washington. Um I think he had, I mean, he had an awesome combine. Um, he looked really good. He's blown up a lot. Um, I mean, again, it'll kind of be which running back has the best landing spot, really, at this point. But I'd probably go running back, unless, like, what are you thinking? What would you have taken if you were actually doing the 111?
SPEAKER_02Uh I it's a very interesting draft. I I this didn't necessarily go the way I thought it was gonna go or not go. Um, there are some guys that we've probably already picked that I kind of expected might fall that far. Um, I probably Mike Washington is again, I'm gonna say it again, but like very landing spot dependent and very draft capital dependent. I mean, yeah, he blew up the combine, but man, if he goes day three, like, nope, that's not happening. Um, I would love, I would love if Stowers made it to me. I think there's a couple other running backs that are kind of that second tier that like I'll take a dart throw on um because I'm gonna need a replacement for Derrick Henry in a year or two anyway, um, if not this year. Um so yeah, I mean, those are the directions. Honestly, I've thought about who I'm gonna give to Levi here at the 112 a couple of times. I I think we've gone this far. This is probably where Mendoza, he probably, knowing our league, goes somewhere much earlier in the first, honestly. Our league loves to do silly things every now and then. I would love it if he did. Like, like let Eggbuca fall to me at the end of the first round last year and and you know, do that. But yeah, sure. I I I think he probably my guess is real life rookie draft for this league, Mendoza probably goes somewhere between 107 and like probably 107 and 112. I I think he goes somewhere in there because again it won't be 107. I can tell you that much. Yeah, because that's you. Uh but it's like it won't be 107. But those are the right picks for him to go in. Um, yes, he's obviously a rookie coming into an interesting situation. I really like what Oakland's done this offseason. I think Genty in his second year is going to be a big help for him. They don't have anybody to catch anything, but I also don't think they're done at pass catcher for the year. So they'd probably go out and get some other pieces there to give him something to do. And then Brock Bowers and and uh they traded away Michael Mayer, didn't they? I think they did. Wow, I feel like anyway, so he's got some weapons. I think Mendoza could have a decent first year and have a really good trajectory for a career. So I I think he deserves to go in the first round, honestly.
SPEAKER_01Mayor is he is still with the Raiders, by the way.
SPEAKER_02All right, all right, so I take Mendoza and then we'll swap back. I'll I'll come back and take over the uh the odds again, and you can go with the evens. All right, so we're getting to the like I think there's a couple more guys, and then we get to the like the super question marks. Um, and at this point in the draft, because of my trading situation, I'm I've got 111 and 411, and that's it. So I'm just gonna be sitting there being like, whatever. You know, it is what it is. I'm gonna give you so this actually makes me the way that this worked out makes me think I would have done something different with your 107 pick, probably. So just with the way this worked out, I think Jonah Coleman's probably the best running back, uh, best player available at this point to me. I probably would have taken at 107 one of the wide receivers if I knew, hey, I'm gonna get love and Coleman or Washington or Price at this 201 spot, but um, but I like Jonah Coleman at the 10, uh, sorry, at the 201. And I mean, take three running backs and see what you got there, Matt, for your for your squad this year. Uh, what do you want to do at 202?
SPEAKER_01Um, so the 202, um, I I don't really like any of the running backs anymore at this point. Um, I at least not even for this high of a pick. So to me, I'm gonna go with wide receiver. And to me, it's really kind of between three guys. So it's it's really just what's your pick of Elijah Surat, Chris Brazell, or Chris Bell? Brazzle. Um Brazzle, is that how you say it? I'm pretty sure that's correct. Chris B Z or Chris Bell. Um, but so it's really again, we're we keep saying this, and it's gonna be like that for most of this this rookie class, but it's landing spot and draft capital. So all of these guys are kind of interchangeable. Um, I'll just pick the one that's kind of right now the highest-rated one, which is Elijah Surat. Um, but I think you could interchange him with either of the Chris's, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_02Yep. I at 103, I mean, they're all dart throws at this point. Um, you know, just I'm sorry, 203. Yes, thank you. Uh at 203, I don't really love either of the Penn State guys. I feel like I've taken all the running backs at this point. So I'm gonna continue that. I think Yeah, because I hate all of them except for one. Look, the thing is, like they could be all terrible, but somebody's gonna take them. And I don't think they're all gonna be bad. I mean, Emmett Johnson's last year in college was nutty, how much production he had at Nebraska. So I'm gonna take Emmett Johnson at 203 and hope for the best.
SPEAKER_01Yep. All right, and then for me on the clock at the 204, I'll continue on with one of the other Chris's. Um, I'm actually a bigger fan of Bell personally than I am uh Brazzle. Um, yeah, so I like Chris Bell. I just think he's got I I mean, again, landing spot, see what happens, see who his quarterback is. I don't think he's gonna light the world on fire, but he's gonna come on the skill set. Yeah, the ACL, but like the latest I saw, he seemed to be doing well, I guess, with his rehab. Like, I didn't think teams seem to be super worried about it outside of just that it happened. Um, but yeah, I I just the skill set I think is better. Um, so I I would be perfectly fine taking a shot at him here at the 204. Yep.
SPEAKER_02All right. Now we're getting into the big dart throws and some of the like super gadgety, weird, like he just catches screens or he just like uh Chris Brazzle makes me think of uh what was the other Tennessee wide receiver that the Giants took a couple years ago that just hadn't done anything? He's still on the roster, but um gosh. The Giants? Yeah. Isn't he still? I'm pretty sure he's still on the roster.
SPEAKER_01Oh, uh yes. Um it's Jalen something, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02I don't think so. But I think I actually had him at one point. You look it up, I'm gonna make my pick because I none of these names are awesome. Um Jalen Hyatt, that's who it was. Yeah, Jalen Hyatt and Chris Brazzle, I think, are like they they might as well be the same exact person doing the same exact thing. Um Malachi Fields, like a great year at Georgia. I mean, even if you go further down, I I think I actually am gonna go further down at this point. I am a little scared of the scheminess of Tennessee and of Georgia. Um I'm gonna go with the Alabama person, Jeremy Bernard here. That's a good pick. I like him. At 205. All right, who do you who do you want at 206? Ty Simpson? Is it Ty Simpson time? Backup Jets quarterback.
SPEAKER_01No, uh, we'll give him to Levi with the two. Where's Levi's pick, Agnes?
SPEAKER_02Levi knows two it's 212. Um so no, I have the 212. No, you're right. I don't know. He's probably one of these in here, then yeah.
SPEAKER_01So uh I will I will actually say I I do agree with you about the Tennessee wide receivers, they worry me. And then I I love Zachariah Branch. I will not draft him. Uh because I just he's so small. He just is, and like we've just seen the NFL shift so much away from the really tiny, like can only play slot receiver, wide receivers. Like it's just I I don't even maybe if he landed somewhere like a San Francisco, like um, or there's like a really smart offensive head coach that I might take a stab at him, but I don't think I could take him even this high. It would have to be like I might be willing to look at him at the 212 that I pick or like in the third round. But yeah, I I think for this one, to me, it's really kind of it's between Brazil, Malachi Fields or Katron Allen. Um, I'll actually go kind of crazy and I'll go K-Tron Allen here. Um kind of do the running back thing. Like I said, I don't Malachi Fields like whatever doesn't excite me. Brazzle, I worry about the Tennessee receivers just don't seem to produce in the NFL because of their their college scheme. So yeah, is what it is.
SPEAKER_02All right. At 207 here on the board, Ty Simpson, Nick Singleton, Zachariah Branch, Chris Brazzle, Malachi Fields, and so on. Um I think at this point it's probably been long enough, similar to what you did with K-tron. I'm gonna take Nick Singleton here. I think it's it's the right pick for him. And you're back on the clock, which means I'm back on the clock at 208 here. So 208, uh, same guy sitting here. You said you loved him. We're gonna go with Zachariah Branch for you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, awesome.
SPEAKER_02Thank you. It's the right, I mean, here's the thing. Whether you take him or not, he might not take the 212.
SPEAKER_01I would not take him with the 208.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. All right. So that's too high for me. 208, you take Zach Branch, love it. Just a great pick. You've got here's your here's your draft so far. You've got uh you've got love, you got his teammate, Jadarian Price, you got another running back in Jonah Coleman. You were just loading up. And then this will never happen. Your wide receiver one in the real world branch. Yeah. Probably not. But all right, who do you want to take? Who do you want to take at 209?
SPEAKER_01Um, okay, so the 209, I mean, I think in the real world, this guy's not gonna last this long. Um, even though we've both I think talked about. Uh, but it's Chris Brazil. We'll take him. Uh we'll put him in there. Um, he's he'll probably be in the first four picks, I would assume, in the second round. Um, especially in our league, but yeah, I'm not I I wouldn't love it personally. I don't really, I'm not interested in him myself.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. All right. At 210, there's two players that I think, you know, I to me are are very, very interesting. I'm not a big Malachi Fields guy. I actually really am interested in Antonio Williams. So that's who I'm gonna take at 210 here um for this team. Antonio Williams out of Clemson, a converted running back to wide receiver. Um, yeah, if it works, it works. And if it doesn't, he's one of those guys that you may like dump him after four games if it doesn't look like it's going anywhere. So yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yep. All right. So then I'm back on with the 211. I will take um, yeah. I mean, now we're getting down to like the really nitty-gritty. Um, I will probably I'll go with Jacoby Lane. Um, I actually like him more than Malikai Fields. I am actually surprised. I know he was the wide receiver too on his team um at USC, but I'm surprised that he's this far, even in just like the mock draft rankings. I'm I'm always pretty surprised that he's this far down, personally. Um second rounder, yes, but I don't know. I would I like him more than some of the other guys, I think, as a dart throw, personally. But yeah, I don't know. Do you disagree?
SPEAKER_02No, not really. I mean, again, they're all dart throws at this point, so I'm kind of fine with whatever you you get the itch to go do. Um, you in uh uh uh have the 212 right now as well. So you've got your two first round picks and your three seconds, and I get to make all of them for you here. So you've taken three running backs, you've taken a wide receiver, so you kind of set there. Uh in reality, though, the second player that I kind of was hoping would would end up dropping to me in this mock draft did. It's a little bit off the beaten path, but you're gonna take Max Clare, title out of Ohio State. I I I'll tell you, I'm watching Max Clare and watching a lot of Ohio State. I I don't know. I feel like it's gonna work in the NFL. I just I have a suspicion that you know he might not be great in the first year, and that's okay, but he could be one of those guys that's like, all right, give him a couple years and and he'll get there and like he'll be a top tight end. Um, he might not be, and and that's not surprising either. I mean, he's the third tight end in this rookie draft class for a reason, and um his Ohio State year, while not like the craziest ever, he was playing on a team with Carnell Tate and Jeremiah Smith. If you look back, most of the commentators I listened to are like, look back at his year at Purdue and tell me that guy can't dominate in the NFL. Um, you know, it's Purdue, but still, like he was doing everything. So yeah. So I think Max Claire is one of those guys that's like he's gonna sneak into the second or third round of our actual draft, and whoever takes him is gonna be mildly interested, and I could see it working. Yeah. It's very possible. So looking back at our mock uh in the first round, we had uh Love go first, with Carnell Tate second, Jordan Tyson and the third pick, Mikai Lemon at four, Kenyon Sdiq at five, Omar Cooper Jr. at six, Jadarian Price at seven, Casey Concepcion at eight, Eli Stowers at nine, Denzel Boston ten, Mike Washington 111, and Fernando Mendoza at 112. Any of those just stand out as terrible picks? I'm sure it's all mine.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, I think the Jadarian Price at the 7 is, in my opinion, way too high. I mean, again, unless if he does go first round to the Seahawks, then I feel you know a lot better about that. And heck, he may not even laugh if he does that. Um, but I still think that even if he goes there, I don't, I mean, you'd probably have to take him just because of the draft capital, but I'd still be just like, I don't I don't look at him and think he's going to be an RB1 ever. Like, I don't think that's his ceiling in the NFL. Um, and so like I would personally rather take a shot on you know Conception there or Boston, like a guy that I think has more of a chance to do something. Because even as like a wide receiver, too, that's more like that, they have a better shot at that than I think uh price does at being an RB1. Um also like I mean personally, I don't like the Mendoza pick at 12 in the first round, but I do agree with you. I do think that our league, he will probably go at some point in those in that mid, probably around like that eight, that nine, maybe the ten. Someone's gonna take him.
SPEAKER_02Uh I'll go at 11. Unless unless I trade it.
SPEAKER_01Unless I trade it. Yeah, he won't he won't go at seven either. I can guarantee you that. Uh so yeah, he it's yeah, I mean, but most of the first round, I feel like is pretty chalky. Um, I was a little surprised you took uh stawers that high. Um but I mean, yeah, I think after you get really past the top seven or eight picks, it's kind of like just a big hodgepodge of what do you want? What do you like? Yeah, that's really all it is.
SPEAKER_02The the pick that I I could see it, but also like right now I wouldn't pick it is the Mike Washington pick at 11. He's not he's not to me the third running back that probably comes off the board. And you know, maybe the NFL tells us that like they love him a lot more than I personally do, but he's just I don't I don't see it. Um you know, maybe he does, but man, that Arkansas like he blew up the combine, but like look at what he did in college, and that team stunk. Um so he's the one that kind of stands out to me. Uh looking into round two, so as a recap, 201, Jonah Coleman 202, uh Elijah Surrat goes for uh at 202, 203 is Emmett Johnson, 204 Chris Bell, Jeremy Bernard, Catron Allen, Nick Singleton, 208 is Zachariah Branch, Chris Brazzo goes next, Antonio Williams at 210, Jacoby Lane 211, and we wrap things up with Max Claire at 212. Um, these are all dart throws. I mean, is any of them stand out as really interesting dart throws to you?
SPEAKER_01Um, I mean, I think the the Jeremy Bernard one, I think is a good one. Um, I've also liked, like you kind of mentioned, I do really like uh Antonio Williams a lot as well. Um I would be a little well, part of me is like I would be a little surprised if Bernard went as high as the 205, but then also with him being a Alabama wide receiver and knowing our league mates, they might just take a dart throw at him at like the 202, just because. Um, so who knows? But I yeah, I mean this draft is so funky because I feel like all the running backs after the top one, all the running backs are kind of just in one giant group for the next like six, and they're all basically the same. And then after those first couple of tiers of wide receivers, it's the same thing. They're all just a giant and a hodgepodge or whatever. I actually think the wide receiver draft itself is pretty deep, but it's not a lot of top-end talent. Like, I don't think there's a massive difference skill set-wise, probably, between uh like a Denzel Boston and uh Antonio Williams or a Jacoby Lane.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's deep in the sense that there's a lot of guys that are like C pluses. Yeah. Like they're not bad.
SPEAKER_01There's a lot of wide receiver threes, maybe wide receiver twos. There's but there's like only those top three guys, in my opinion, have even a chance at being a wide receiver one. And even then, I don't think it's likely. You could maybe throw in tier two as like if they get the perfect situation, they might be able to have some weeks like that. Um, and not their rookie season, probably, but I yeah, I just uh it's it's a lot of wide receiver twos, which goes back to why I was okay trading away my those three picks.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that probably is the right thing for you to do. I think for me, Chris Bell stands out, he's definitely one that I like. I like the idea of him having watched him at Louisville all season really just dominate competition and kind of just have his I mean, yeah, but still like basically high schoolers. Oh, all right. No, I think I think he could be really good at the pro level. Um I think his injury is gonna be something that's gonna really gonna slow him down his rookie year. I could see him being making a major leap between year one and two. So I think he's more of a two-year project than uh, hey, he's gonna come in and do something for me right now, type of guy. How late in the season did he get hurt? It was like their last handful of games. Uh, if it wasn't, it wasn't their um it was in the regular season still. I can't remember exactly what game it was, but it was very, very late in the year that he got hurt. Um I also, you know, like I like some of my picks. I think, you know, you're right. This draft is very top heavy for the running backs, and then there's just a lot of guys that are like, I don't know, man, like are these these are guys that are probably flexes at best. They're definitely guys that are like, you need somebody to get hurt or leave or do something, or like you need to come into camp and just go bonkers, go to the right team that's gonna let you do something, a head coach that's gonna be okay with you know, a guy potentially a later round guy coming in and doing something. I I think Jonah Coleman's very interesting. I think Emmett Johnson is very interesting too. Uh again, the draft's gonna tell us a lot, and those guys might end up as third rounders after the draft next week, and I'm not gonna be surprised at that. But you know, if they get decent draft capital, if they go to interesting places, like I could see them being very useful this year. So I again I think those three guys in general are the ones that stick out to me in this in this second round. Third round, fourth round, man, those names. I'm like, I haven't even heard of half these guys.
SPEAKER_01So he was my accountant for my tax, he did my taxes a couple months ago, right?
SPEAKER_02That was a good thing I traded that second and third round pick, man, because I'm glad I'm not trying to pick out of these guys. Um, but no. So we'll we'll see. We're gonna I think we're gonna do another one of these, Matt, once the draft happens and we actually have some draft capital to go off of, correct?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, I think that we should do that. Um, talk about surprises in the draft. And now that we've got an IDP league that we've officially announced, we can actually talk defensive players as well. We don't have to only talk offense.
SPEAKER_02I know that's true. We can. We can talk rookie defensive. What do you know about Arvell Reese? Uh Sonny Style.
SPEAKER_01He's their ballers. I've been actually paying attention to a lot of that. The Cowboys needing defensive help. So, like, I've been all in on that. Now, if you want to talk about like a third-round linebacker that gets trapped out, I ain't got no meaning about no idea on those, but those top 10 picks unless they play at UK. Um, the top 10 picks, I'll I'll have an idea on them.
SPEAKER_02There we go. All right. Well, for Matt, I'm Robert. We're signing off. Hopefully, y'all enjoyed this episode. We'll uh be back with you in a couple weeks with a mock draft post NFL draft and talk to some IVP players. So we're signing off. Saying peace down.
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