the RB and Preher Show Episode 25

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:07

This is the RB and prayer show. Just a couple of guys hanging out and talking fantasy football. Now, here are your hosts, Robert and Matt.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

All right. Welcome in. Welcome back. Yeah, long hiatus. The boys are back.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

You should have a job for that.

unknown 0:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

The boys are backing down.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Well, we'd get copyrighted so fast if we did something like that.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Well, that means people listen to us. So yeah, win-win. Win-win, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Yeah. Oh, goodness. Matt, how's your offseason been? Made any uh big moves that we're gonna talk about in a little bit?

SPEAKER_00 0:50

It's been good. Yes, I did. And uh uh one, or well, I've made two that I think well, actually, no, I've made three. Two of which I think geez, I feel like I almost robbed them blind.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Gonna make another one in the middle of this podcast if you're not careful.

SPEAKER_00 1:07

I'd like to. You never know. I've got a bunch sitting out there. Um, no, I've made a few moves, yeah, in our dynasty league, just trying to bolster up, you know, trying to make a push, start trying to push this year. Maybe we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 1:19

Trying to trying to actually win, not trying to uh try to play for last.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

I've never tried to play for last. I was just that bad. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

You trade everybody away. Fair enough. All right. Well, with that, we're gonna talk about a couple of things tonight. Firstly, I think we're gonna get into some reviewing the NFL moves, especially those pertaining to fantasy. Um, and talk about some that we think, Matt, that are overrated and underrated there, uh, which I'm kind of curious, your thoughts on that. Then we'll talk about some league moves from the keeper league and from the dynasty league, as well as talking about our new league that we're gonna be talking about once a week going into the season, the league of boom, a ridiculous 12-team super flex tight end premium IDP Dynasty League. Because Matt couldn't put Matt couldn't put enough acronyms after the name of the league or the type of league it was. Um, just what's that movie?

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Everything all at the same time, like everything all the time, or something like that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

That's basically something you would know. I don't I have no clue what you're talking about. Yes, just wait. Somebody will come up with a new a new type of fantasy next year, and you're gonna vote it in. It's not everything, everywhere, all at once. It's the it's the everything bagel of fantasy football. Uh it's going to be everything.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

I have to change the rules so I can always win. That's that's how this works. How do we not know that?

SPEAKER_01 2:51

Can I can I can I throw out for a vote tonight that we changed the name of the league from the League of Boom, which let's be honest, is kind of Chat GPT league name like title. It's it feels very like I searched this online and came up with the best one I thought kind of sounded nice. I think we should be the Everything Bagel League, because just like the Everything Bagel, this league has all of it.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

You know, maybe I'd be fine with that.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Burger King League? You can have it your way.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Ooh, I like that. I like that because then we could actually have the king as our logo.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

It's we're going somewhere with this idea. All right.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Well, we don't have divisions. If we're gonna have divisions, I could give us like oh I know the double whopper division, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

Yep, there we go. I see where you're going with this. No, the the king's division, yeah. Um all right, well, let's jump in. But before we jump in, quick question of the day, which I do have one, Matt. If you could wave a magic wand tonight and undo a trade or off-season move or some new signing or or existing signing, some something from the off-season, if you could wave a magic wand right now and change it, what move would you change?

SPEAKER_00 4:11

Ooh. Um, and you're talking like real NFL moves, I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Yep, but real NFL moves, but maybe changing them to uh to benefit yourself in fantasy, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

I would probably change. I guess this doesn't necessarily benefit me. Um this was the guy that I was thinking about trading for kind of right before it all happened. Um, Tyler Algier to the Cardinals. Um, and it's it's kind of, I guess, just that whole Cardinals backfield situation with them re-signing James Conner, and then you know, they still got Benson, and then um uh, but signing Algier because I really thought that Algier had a great chance. I was hoping, especially after it, you know, we really just had HN. Well, I guess we have to call him HN now, Travis H and with the Saints.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Yeah, and uh that's how he says he's supposed to pronounce it. Yeah, Trevor's brother, Trevor Trevor Etian's brother. But him and uh the walker signings, and you know, I was really hoping that maybe, oh, we might have you know Algier maybe go to like the commanders or somewhere else that that really kind of needed, maybe even the Broncos, somewhere that just kind of needed running back help, didn't really have a very clear-cut RB1 and really bolster you know, Algier and his stock, and it just didn't happen. And he goes to the Cardinals and then they sign James Conner, and it's just complete death to Trey Benson. Um, yeah. And then the other one, can I give you a second move too? No, you can't.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

It's my turn. All right, all of them. This is my show. Mine, as soon as as soon as I came out of the question, I knew exactly which direction I was going. It's self-serving, but it's also fantasy serving. And it is the Jets are not allowed to franchise Chag Brees Hall.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Like he has to give you the whole offseason every time I've read about Brees Hall. I was like, Oh, I bet he loves this.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Yeah, yeah. My my change is not, I don't uh like you could like third round pick for him.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

No, just get him out of your hair, man. You don't you don't need him anymore. He's just a hassle.

SPEAKER_01 6:20

I'm not doing that. Um, yeah, no, that that move is just like a kick in the kick in the gut. Like, I don't even in this fantasy world of waving my wide magic wand, I don't necessarily care where he goes, he just can't get re-signed by them. Like in my fantasy world, he's gotta go somewhere else. There's so many other options, like, and there's not that many worse options for him to go to. So that's that's kind of the way I see it.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

I just love how he was oh so close to being traded to the Kansas City Chiefs last year. And he's now franchised and probably about to sign. If he hasn't already, I don't even remember, a long-term deal with the Jets. It's just like going from one of the best, well-ish, to just the absolute worst. And I mean, at least, hey, we know that they can't throw the ball, so yeah, we know they're gonna have to run it.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

Gene, yeah. Gino at least does no Justin Fields who's gonna take off and run. He's gotta check it down at his age. So maybe Algier bounces back a little bit. But yeah, that's the one that comes to my mind. So, all right, let's jump in then to NFL news. So we've had lots of signings, lots of trades at this point, not quite to the draft yet, but let's start by talking about your uh most underrated move that you saw, and then we'll we'll kind of pick up some of the other ones that stood out. But what was your most underrated move of the offseason so far?

SPEAKER_00 7:50

Um so for me, uh the underrated move that I had is an this one it I the only reason I'm calling it underrated is because I feel like every analyst out there is saying this is overrated, this is not a big deal, and all that. And I just I completely disagree. And it's it's the it's everything that kind of happened with uh Alec Pierce and the Colts and just like all of that. I mean, kind of part of that it comes with they did sign Daniel Jones, they signed Alec Pierce to a long-term contract, and they got rid of Pittman. It's all of that kind of combined, but that whole series of moves there, I just I think that's huge for Alec Pierce. Like, I don't think like I'm not blind and I don't think that he's going to become Mr. You know, like he's not he's not the next JSN or anything crazy like that. But having him, like he, I think I saw a statistic that last year he was third or fourth on just average number of targets per game at around like six, six point four or something like that. And it that's gonna be going up now, and they're pretty much guaranteeing, and I think that that was one of their I think that he was like, Look, I'll re-sign with you all if you resign Daniel Jones, because they're you know best buds. And I think he was like, I want to be a bigger part of the offense, and they agreed, and that's why they traded Pittman. Um Pittman had was averaging, I think, the most targets, and so I think that Alex Pierce is now gonna go up to like eight to ten targets a game. Um, I'm I have a lot of faith that it's going to expand him to be more than just a deep threat. I think his you know, average depth of target he's led the NFL the last two years in that, that's gonna go down. He won't do that, but I I'll trade that off if it gets him 30, 40, 50 more catches in a year, just because he's getting that many more targets um and a lot more intermediate stuff, things like that. So I just I'm really excited about that move. Um, and I don't think I think that injury to Daniel Jones um is it's gonna hurt him from fantasy, but I think that it might make him throw more, which is also a benefit to Alec Pierce. So I think that's my underrated move simply because everyone is hating on it and the industry, it's it's it feels like. So I don't know. That's the one that I really liked.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Yeah. For me, my underrated one was Romeo Dobbs to the Pats. Um, I know the reason why I say it's uh uh underrated is I think everybody that I listen to is like just waiting for the other shoe to drop of who else are they gonna go sign? Are they gonna go get AJ Brown or you know, whoever it is um that's gonna come in and be their wide receiver one? I haven't watched a lot of Romeo Dobbs over the years, and especially watching him this last year when you know um the the other bigger wide receivers from Green Bay were hurt towards the end of the season, Dobbs had a couple of really good weeks there, and I think he can be a good safety blanket. I could see him really improving and and being him paying off his draft stock for sure for where he's gonna end up going in fantasy drafts uh this year. So I like Romeo Dobbs to the Patriots quite a bit. Uh on the flip side though, let's talk about your overrated uh move of the offseason. Who is your overrated move?

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Uh so my overrated move is one that I'm almost certain you're going to completely disagree with me on. Um, and I'm being, I think, kind of crazy. Is it's Kenneth Walker to the Chiefs. KW3. I just I I mean, I love him as a player. I love, I mean, everyone talks about the Chiefs. They haven't had really an RB1 for a long while. The reason I don't like this move, there's two big reasons. First and foremost, it's Kenneth Walker's health. Like if I had him after the year that he just had, and now being on the Chiefs, you need to sell him, sell him high. He is, he, I don't think he's even played a full season until this last year. And he had really limited snap speed, and we we talked about it. Like, right, because they kept um, you know, it was like such a maddening backfield because Walker was always much more efficient. Um, or I think he missed like a couple games, but he was so much more efficient efficient than Charbonnet and always looked better, but they still kept giving the ball to Charbonnet all the time. And so I just I worry about his health because the Chiefs really have no one else. And then I also just think I'm just gonna be honest, the Chiefs' offense just is not that good anymore. They used to be dominant and they're just not, and I don't know if it's just as simple as Kelsey's old, and you know, they just haven't really figured out how to make the transition to being focused on Rasheed Rice. Maybe they focus, maybe they figure it out this year.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

And you know, obviously you can't really ever doubt Mahomes, but cheese like W Mahomes at the beginning of the year, they just traded for Justin Fields, yeah. I think I think the Justin Fields trade was a we don't think Mahomes is gonna be ready to start the year, so we're gonna bring somebody in that can run something. Actually, he kind of reminds me a little bit of um oh gosh, I'm blanking on the name. What was the dude's what was the quarterback's name before Pat Mahomes? Uh Alex Smith.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

Alex Smith, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

He's kind of mobile like Alex Smith almost. I mean he's more mobile, honestly, but and he's probably not as good a passer, but he kind of plays the same the same style. So maybe that's you know, I I think that has more to do with it. So I I like I like the walker call. I don't think he's as overrated as you're making him out to be, but to your point, we'll play a game with him in a minute and some interesting stats.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Yeah, well, and I and and I would just say this too. So, like, I don't think he's gonna be like an RB4 or anything crazy bad. Like, I don't think it's gonna be terrible, but I also don't think everyone's projecting him right like right now. I think his dynasty, AD startup dynasty ADP for him is he's like RB5. Like that's way too high to me. Like, I would not, I would, I don't even know if I'd have him in my top 10, but to me, he's like 10 to 15, somewhere in that range.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Yeah, Ken Walker that high, 25 years old. Uh, and like I said, we'll we'll jump into him more in here in a minute. I don't I don't want to spoil too much of what I've got there. Um, my overrated move is probably the one that's gotten the most press, and it's Kyler to the Vikings. I I understand why people really love this move and love it for Kyler. I think people love it for O'Connell. Like Kyler is not the right type of cornerback quarterback to support Justin Jefferson and Hawkinson and Aaron Jones and the rest of them. Like that's my fear is I think the quarterback type matters a lot in that offense. Think about the guys that have done well and the guys that have flamed out. You can say, yeah, there's been a lot of guys that have resurrected their careers, and that's true, but there's also been guys that have gone there that have not been awesome. Um, case in point, two years of JJ McCarthy now has not been great, and he was supposed to be a revelation. And I would say JJ McCarthy is a lot more in the mold of Kyler Murray than he is in the mold of Carson Wentz or Sam Darnold or you know, one of those guys. So um, yeah, Kyler is certainly the one that that I think is probably the most overrated. I would have liked that move a lot more if it had been Mac Jones or you know, somebody that's a little bit more of a pocket passer, I think, than than Kyler, especially for Jefferson's sake. But that's the one that's that's overrated to me. So now let's play a game. All right, let's do it. All right, so here's your game. Uh, I picked a couple of the free agents that I thought were interesting moves and some interesting statistics about them, and I want you to tell me, trivia style, what is the correct answer? So, speaking of Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray has spent uh all of his career in Arizona at this point. Um, he has been in the league for since 2019. Uh Kyler, uh obviously seven years of experience, number one overall pick. When, though, so the the Vikings' big issue last year was health. Can't keep anybody healthy. Carson Wentz is hurt, JJ's hurt, you know. Um, what was the dude's name, the third string quarterback or the third quarterback that was so bad that one game that they brought in? Bro, Brosmer, Max Brosmer. Remember that? Okay. Oh my gosh, that was a that was an experience. So here's the question when is the last time that Kyler Murray played a full season? Oh gosh. His career started in 2019.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

So that's your that's your uh that's your helper for the law the last time in the NFL.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

Uh no, actually in the Canadian Football League. When did he last play a full season? Yes, yes, in the NFL.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

Well, I didn't know if you were going back to college or high school or something like that. Nope. Um when's the last time you played a full season? Yeah. Obviously, it wasn't last year. I don't think it was even the year before that. Um, I want to say, well, I want to say 22, 2022.

SPEAKER_01 17:16

Ooh, 2022 is uh hang on, sorry. I'm trying to I I had my answer and then I second guessed it for a second, and now I'm like, oh no. Um so much suspense. Okay, so 2022 is not correct. He played 11 games in 2022. You want another guess?

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Um, I mean, if it's not 22, I don't, I mean, I didn't follow his career. I don't follow his career close enough. Um I mean I'd want to say like 23, but it's probably like 2020.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

It is the fellow last time he played a full season based on what I can find on Sleeper is 2019.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

He uh 20 his rookie season. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

Yeah, he only missed his bye week and that uh and they were not in the playoffs. Uh in 20, I I couldn't tell for sure, so I had to look at the game log. Uh in 2020, he played 16 games. Um uh in 2020, he played 16 games. Uh in 21, he played 14, 22, he played 11, 23, he played eight. I thought the right answer was going to be originally 2024, because he played 17 games in 2024, but it looks like he missed a game at Tennessee in the middle of the season in 2024. So uh I can't I can't tell for sure, but that looks to be correct. It's 2019. So fun times when the trivia can't quite tell if it's correct or not. All right. Moving on for the course. Moving on, I said. All right, Ken Walker. We talked about Ken Walker. Ken Walker, you said, oh, he's gonna be a top five pick in startup leagues. He's 25 years old. He's on what historically has been a juggernaut of an offense, uh, although we make a case that it's not gonna be that way this year. But Ken Walker largely gets his contact contract based off of the playoffs last year. So my question to you is when or I'm sorry, what is Ken Walker's best fantasy finish in his career? PPR leagues, what is the highest he's ever finished in PPR leagues at running at running back? Yes, his ranking.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Oh man. I mean, I so I don't think it was last year, and it definitely wasn't like the two years before. God, it might have to be like his rookie year. I mean, I would almost say like RB, like it's gotta be low 20s, like 21, 22. I'll say 22.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

You're not you're not terribly far off, and your reasoning was right. So 2022 was his highest finish as a rookie. He came in, he was the PPR running back 18 that year. The next year in 23, he was 19, and then he slid down to 27 in 2024 and 22 in 2025. Um, so he's had a precipitous decline uh outside of a big run to the Super Bowl last year. So Ken Walker, interesting one for uh so his highest was what 18?

SPEAKER_00 20:39

Is that what you said? That's what 18, and that was his rookie season?

SPEAKER_01 20:43

Yep, that was his rookie season. All right, two that we didn't get a chance to talk about. Um so DJ Moore is acquired by the Buffalo Bills this offseason coming from Chicago. Uh I'm really excited about the DJ Moore move. I I like DJ Moore. I've had him on plenty of teams. He's certainly can be a really fun wide receiver to own. He can also be a little bit of a head case, and he's been in a weird situation the last couple of years with you know Chicago basically drafting three guys over top of him. So so here's your question. So DJ Moore moves to the Bills. Maybe you're excited, maybe you're not, but with the Bills now, uh how many times in his career has DJ Moore been a top 12 PPR wide receiver? He has played eight years.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

Were you that's what I was gonna ask. How many years has he been in?

unknown 21:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

He so just to remind you, he he came in in 2018, he was with Carolina for five years. He was with Chicago for three years, and now he's moving on to Buffalo. Yeah. So how many times has he been a top twelve PPR wide receiver?

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Yeah, so it's it's I'm fairly certain it's not happened with Chicago. If it has. It only would have been that first year, but I don't I don't think it was I don't think they were good enough on offense that year. And then but I'm fairly certain it happened at least his last year at Carolina, his last or second to last, because I remember that was like the the whole thing that kind of shot him. I'm just gonna say once, because I think it only happened like his fourth or fifth year at Carolina.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Yeah. So your reasoning is terrible, but your answer is correct. What? So once is the correct answer. Um you are not correct about when it happened. His last year in Carolina was his second worst season in Carolina. He was wide receiver 24. He had 888 receiving yards and seven touchdowns. His best PPR finish uh that was a top 12 finish was 2023 in Chicago, his first year there. He was PPR wide receiver six. He had 1,364 yards for a 14 yard per 14 yards and change yard per catch and eight touchdowns. So he was six. He had two finishes in the top 20. He was 16th twice, 16th in his second year in Chicago, and 16th in his second year in Carolina as well. So Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

Well then who was who was their quarterback for Chicago that year? The very first year? Is it yeah, because it was before Williams. Was that that wasn't Trubisky still, was it?

SPEAKER_01 23:23

Was that Fields?

SPEAKER_00 23:24

I think it was Fields, wasn't it? Oh, yeah, I think you're right. Okay. All right. All right, that makes a little more sense.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

Last one, another player we didn't talk about. Uh David Montgomery. I know you you I I think you like this move. I think you like his move to the Tex Ends, although Womp Womp, Woody Marks. Sorry, not so.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Yeah, this was my we didn't do a thing about favorite and least favorite moves. This would be one of my least least favorite moves because of it. I was all in on Woody Marks, you know, last year, and I thought I thought he did pretty well. I mean, he's not an RB1, but you know, you don't draft him to be an RB1. Um, and but now he's definitely not. Now, I don't think it's definitely not, it's definitely still gonna be a timeshare, um, but it's not gonna be you know as good I don't I just I don't know. I don't see it. I don't see David Montgomery being like that, like crazy.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

Here's your David Montgomery trivia question. He's been in the league seven years. He spent four years with Chicago, three with Detroit, and now he moves on to Houston uh to lead that backfield. When's the last time David Montgomery was a wide receiver, uh a running back one in a wide receiver?

SPEAKER_00 24:31

Yeah, uh he was a wide receiver probably in high school. When he was a sorry, when he was a running back one. So I guess is what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

Yes, top 12. That would be a running back one.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Okay, well, you could mean RB1 on his depth chart. No, I don't. Um, I don't think he's ever been that in London in Detroit. And I definitely don't think he was like that the last couple years. I mean the last time I would probably say would have been either his rookie or sophomore year in the NFL when he was his first or second year in Chicago.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

What's your final answer? You don't get to pick two answers and then just say good luck.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

Oh um, we'll say his sophomore year.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Sophomore year. His second year. Sophomore year is correct. So in 2020 in Chicago, David Montgomery was the running back four in PPR. He had 247 carries for a thousand a little under a thousand yards, eight touchdowns on the ground, with 54 receptions for 440 and two in the air. Uh and he only had one fumble the entire season. So really good year. I think, you know, again, depending on what you think of David Montgomery going to Houston, uh, maybe that's maybe that's a good thing, maybe it's not. But um other though, Matt. What other so I I got to talk about something that I really wanted to mention. What other moves do you want to mention, though?

SPEAKER_00 26:10

Um I do want to one of the moves that I wanted to talk about. Um you you mentioned the move. It's DJ Moore to the Bills, but the part I want to talk about is the the effect to Chicago. Um, I just wanted to say, like, I think that this is one of those very rare, like very clearly a win-win for everybody. I think it's a win for the Bills. They need wide receiver one. It's a win for DJ Moore. He gets out, he is the clear wide receiver one. He's gonna be a queer, a clear bread winner uh there in Buffalo. Um, but then I also think it's a really good move for Chicago. I'm I am super excited about Luther Burden. I've been trying to trade for him um in our dynasty league. But Todd, you know, the dickname King, he has him and he wants unrealistic. He's like valuing him more than Bichon, which is just ridiculous to me. Um, I'm not ready to anoint him, you know, the next uh uh wide receiver one next year or anything like that. Um but I love that, and but I do love it for my boy Colson Loveland, who I do have in our dynasty league. So pretty excited about that. Um and I do think it'll be good for Romeo Dobbs. Um, I just you know, I think that it's just gonna be good all around for them. So Romeo Dops that one. Or sorry, not Romeo, Romeo, Rome of Dunsey. See, it's the Rome Oh Romeo is where uh there's an E in there too, bro.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Broyo. Um Okay, that makes more sense. I was really lost for a second. I'm like, why are we talking about Romeo?

SPEAKER_00 27:45

They're all connected, man. It's all a conspiracy.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

Zach Alvinakis like math meme. Oh gosh. All right, so that's a good one. I the other one that you mentioned that you were really excited about.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

I was about to mention it. I was about to mention it. Talk about it. Go for it. Uh, my boy, Juandale Robinson, going to the Titans. And you know what that means. Who's he reunited with Matt? Oh, he is reunited with the one, the only, Mr. Will Levis.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

The Will Levis power minute.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

And while Will may not be throwing to him on Sundays right now, he will definitely be throwing to him on the practice field. It can get him get him really nice and warmed up. He'll be good. Uh well, because we all know the Titans are probably gonna draft Carnell Tate number four overall. So we'll see. But I'm just I'm just kidding. But um, yeah, no, I I think it's a good move. I don't think, I mean, Wandale is one of those that's been like very sneakily good the last couple years, and you put him back under Brian Dable. I think it's a good move, especially because the Titans like nobody as a they you know, they're they're not the worst wide receiver um room in the in the NFL, but they're definitely bottom side. They're not. Yeah, they're they are not. I mean, Miami has that crown now. Buffalo is like, well, they were second um until they got DJ Moore, but man, it's uh the Raiders should give you a good fight for that one, too. That's true, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Yep. I don't count Brock Bowers as a part of that room.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

Yeah, so I think I think it's a good move for Wandell. I like it. Um, I mean, he again, he he's a guy that I think folks should start targeting um in their um in their drafts, especially like even any of them, redraft, startup, all that, just because he is gonna be, I think he's gonna consistently, I mean, again, unless they draft, you know, Tate or Lemon or whoever at um the four um this year in the real NFL draft, he is going to be a guy that he's still gonna command plenty of targets, um, especially in that offense. And he's he's back with his coach that knows how to use him best. And I think that he's uh you know, maybe like a wide receiver 20, 22, something like that at the end of the year. Like he'll be and but you'll get him at a wide receiver 40 price. Like that's the big thing with him. So yeah, and I know you're probably not gonna steal him um right before me or something in our in our startup draft that we're doing this year.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

But I don't know, maybe you know who knows? I could steal them. I'm here for the good people. I could steal them in our keeper league too. I got so many picks. Speaking of all the pictures I've accumulated, let's talk fantasy moves. Uh, I'm gonna start with the dynasty league because there's a lot more bigger, interesting ones there. Um, but let's kind of talk about a couple of these. So you probably pulled them up. I I didn't mark down the team names is the only thing. So I just have the trades, which maybe that's better. We can just kind of react to like which side you like more. I know some of these are also yours, so there's that. Half of these are mine. So uh half of them are.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

I said half of these are mine.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

Yeah, that seems right. So, all right, first move. Uh, Romeo Dobbs was traded in Dynasty, uh, in a one quarterback dynasty league for Malik Willis. Um, thoughts, thumbs up, thumbs down on that trade.

SPEAKER_00 31:10

Um thumbs up if you're receiving Romeo Dobbs. And this was even before I remembered seeing this because this was before the uh before like free agency and everything. So he was still a free agent. And I think even a lot of people at the time thought he was going to be going to Miami to catch passes from Malik Willis. Turns out he's not. He went to a much better situation and a much better um coaching staff and um uh quarterback. But yeah, like I can't believe um, I can't I agree with you. I can't I know Levi was in this trade, but I can't remember which part he had.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Um, this is an interesting trade if the team that's acquiring Malik Willis really needs a quarterback. I don't really know. I don't get it if you're like kind of feel set enough. Like if you're the if your team is the type of team where you're probably not gonna take a quarterback this year in the rookie draft and you can get by for another year or two, I don't really get this move. Um if you're the type of team, what's there's that one team in our league that's had like Bryce Young and like trash at quarterback for it was like Cam Ward, Bryce Young, and somebody else. And uh that team, if it's that team making this move, then it's probably not the worst thing in the world. But it's well while you look that up. I I think overall it's not a bad trade. I think it's I think it's pretty it's a pretty even trade. Like I don't hate it either way. Um it's it's kind of a it's no star power, so there's that, but that's also fine. You kind of need to make those trades too. So um all right, second trade we want to look at. I think this one this one gets into the first of yours.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

What so it was Levi. Levi accepted he he received Malik Willis and he sent Romeo Dobbs to Dalen, um, who is the worst team in the league. And Dalen, like I that I don't get this trade at all. I will completely disagree with you. I think this is a terrible trade um for Levi. I don't get it.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Um, he has won't be the last time we're talking about a terrible Levi trade tonight.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

Well, I mean because he he has Jordan Love, Daniel Jones, and Kyler Murray all on his team. And he he took he traded away Romeo Dobbs for Malik Willis. I just I don't I don't get it in a one QB league. Yeah, you know that's that's the part it doesn't make sense to me.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

Yeah, uh I I get that. I I think overall, valuation-wise, it's an even trade. It's more the the pluses and minuses are gonna come with what do you need? Um, all right. So the second trade that we had in the league was I think this one was one of yours, Tyrone Tracy and Travis Hunter sent away for Alec Pierce, Zach Charbonnet, and Woody Marks. Now, this is prior to the David Montgomery News. Um so there's that. I think this was also prior to the Pierce signing.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Yeah, it was prior to everything. It was pretty early on in the offseason. It was prior to Alec Pierce signing, it was prior to Montgomery, and it was prior to the Jaguars GM actually coming out and saying Hunter's gonna play mostly cornerback.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

Yeah, defensively.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

Now we'll see if they actually stick to that. But yeah, yeah, I mean, I love this trade. I personally was trying to get off of Hunter. Um, I don't think Tyrone Tracy's too bad, though it looks worse and worse now, potentially with all the the smoke that Jeremiah Love might be getting drafted by the the uh the New York Giants in the first round. Um which would that would be that would just kill Tyrone Tracy's stock completely. But um, yeah, I I I did this trade because I was targeting Pearson Marks and I needed running back help, so you just never knew about Charbonnet. Now the Marks part didn't really work out, but yeah, I love this trade. I don't know. What's your thoughts? Kill it and smush my dad.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

Yeah, I mean I I don't like either side of this trade all that much. I I appreciate your commentary on it of trying to get away from some pieces. I mean, Tracy, I would say, is not worth almost anything, to me at least. Like I wouldn't give up very much if if anything for him. Uh and then Hunter didn't.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

He actually didn't look bad when he ended the year as the starter for the New York Giants, like I told you he would.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

We didn't bet that one because it was a push because Scataboo got hurt.

SPEAKER_00 35:32

Um, we did bet it, but yes, it was a push.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Yeah, I mean, I I I I know that the Jags have said Hunter's gonna play defense. Charbonnet and Pierce are good pieces. I would hope. Like, if I'm on the uh Tracy and Hunter side and receiving those, I'm really hoping that the GM is just kind of coming out. Like, what point does he have in actually saying that?

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Um so your your hope is that A, he's lying, and B or B, everybody else gets hurt. Yeah, or that like they like they you're hoping that they're they trade uh Brian Thomas Jr. Yeah, and then the magic from last year with Parker Washington um like doesn't exist anymore. And that's so they they need Hunter because I thought Hunter did look good there right before he got hurt, and he seemed like he would be a great wide receiver, and then he got hurt, and then they traded for Myers, and then Washington kind of took off. It was just it's just become a mess.

SPEAKER_01 36:31

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

And I just I was done with it. I didn't want anything to do with that anymore.

SPEAKER_01 36:33

Yeah, I mean I get the trade from your standpoint. All right, moving on, another trade, kind of another like okay trade, is uh Rashad Bateman for a rookie fourth round pick. Uh okay. Yeah, I know this one got thrown to me as well, and I was like, I don't care about Rashad Bateman at all. I'd much rather take a random flyer in the fourth round of the rookie draft than on a guy who I mean, honestly, like right now, I'm trying to rack my brain of where Rashad Bateman plays right now because I'm like, I know I should know this, but I don't remember where he's playing. He's still at he's still at Baltimore, isn't he? He might be. Who knows? That's kind of the point, is that that's about a fourth round pick, is like a guy who you don't even know.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

He's still at Baltimore, he's going to his third year. Yeah, he's not take a guess. Uh, how many I'm gonna give you how many uh yards or how many catches do you think he had last year? The Chiefs or not? The Ravens. No, yeah, he's he was drafted first round by the Ravens in 24.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

I'm gonna say he had I'll say under 25.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

Yes, yeah, he had 19 catches. Yeah, sounds right. 19 catches for 224 yards, two touchdowns. The only thing like I I he's shocked. Yeah, I mean, I'm with you. I think this is pretty much a nothing for a nothing. There wasn't really much to it. Um, I think that um I'd still probably may say a little bit over Bateman over a fourth, because I think fourths are almost worthless in in rookie. But yeah, I mean it's sure. If you like Bateman, go for it. I'm I'm with you. I probably wouldn't have done it because he might as well take a dart throw.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

He he offered it to me a couple times, and I was like, I have no desire to take this trade whatsoever. Like, I just nothing, nothing, no, no care in the world. All right, fourth trade that we had in the Dynasty League this offseason, Hunter Henry and a pair of third-round rookie picks for Blake Corum and a fourth. I um I don't I I kind of like the Quorum side. I am always curious of when Kyron Williams time his clock's gonna be up. Um, and the way they talk about him and keep drafting guys in behind him. Like, I think Corum actually played pretty decently this last season, so he is probably gonna carve out some more time. And if I'm giving up Hunter Henry, who's probably what, my second or third tight end, and a guy that I'm gonna stream occasionally, and two third rounders, which again, to your point of the fourths, like two thirds isn't what worth much either to me. Um for Quorum and a fourth, like I don't hate that trade. If you believe in Quorum and want to go get him, that's how you're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

Yeah, I mean, to me, to me, this is essentially I I'd probably I I agree with you in that it's just kind of like a whatever to me.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

Yeah, um, I would probably lean the other way because I see I like the hint the Henry and the yeah, because I you like the two-thirds.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Yes, that's what it is. Because I see Hunter Henry as essentially equal to a third, and I think Blake Coram is about equal to a third and maybe a fourth. So you're looking at three-thirds for a third and a fourth or two-fourths. So it's all kind of a push, but the two-thirds is what kind of gives it the little bit of an extra edge. If it was Henry and a third for Corum and a fourth, I'd I'd I'd be more open to it. Yeah, sorry. You like it what?

SPEAKER_01 40:12

I I like that move in a league where guys will package picks and move around in the draft more. Like I would love that move if I could take those two-thirds and couple it with my existing third and say I'm gonna give up three thirds for like an early second or something like that. I don't think this league is the type of league that would take that type of deal because they would value the the early second over the three dart throws in the third. But like I said, I I don't hate the move. I just I kind of lean towards the the quorum side. Yeah, um, all right. Next trade we had was Rico, who is a new stealer. Uh Rico in a third round rookie pack for a Ramondre Stevenson. Um, what what side of this trade do you seem to like more?

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Uh to me, this one has a very clear winner, and that is Ramondre Stevenson's side. Um, I think that Rico, outside of what, those two or three games that he kind of went crazy last year, I think that he just like I don't think he really did anything. I think there's a reason that still even like after all of those games, he wasn't really the starter for the rest of the year. Um, and I think there was a reason that they were cool with just letting him walk and weren't really that interested in trying to keep him when they just have Chuba Hubbard and Jonathan Brooks on the roster. Um, I don't think that Rico going to the Steelers, I think all it does is actually hurt Jalen Warren. I don't think it's gonna be like lightning in a bottle again. Um and I think that Ramondre, for everything that people like to talk about with uh Trevion Henderson, I I think it's very clear that Rabel still loves himself some some Ramondre. Um and I think I think he was the better running back last year. So I I I like I like Ramondre still as the clear starter in New England in a much better offense than I do Rico and whatever dart throw I'm gonna get with a third round pick. Might be a little bit different if I actually thought I knew you were gonna go with Rico in the third, but it might be a little bit different if me, because this draft is so weak um just compared to last year and what's probably next year. If this was like a 2027 third, that might make it a little bit better, or if this class was just a lot deeper, because you gotta think like we got startable people, like a Woody Marks and stuff, was in the third round of our draft last year.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

No, I get it.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

But like I don't think we're gonna get that this year.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Well, we might not. We might, we might not, but I I really do like the Rico side, and I like it because I think he fits the personnel and the scheme of the Steelers better than Kenny Gainwell and Jalen. Like Kenny Gainwell and Warren together last year. To me, those are two kind of two more scatbacky guys together. And Gainwell obviously was like the the better receiver, but like that is kind of Warren's role is to be more of the pass catcher, third down guy, all that stuff. I think Rico is not a pass catcher at all. Much he's much less of a pass catcher than Kenny Gainwell was. So by pairing Rico and Jalen Warren together, I actually think that clarifies their roles a lot more. Like Rico's the first and second down guy. He's gonna he's gonna pound it. And when they bring in third down, or it's it's second and long or whatever, like that's Jalen Warren's time to come in and catch stuff. And I I just I think it clarifies things more than anything else. And I think Rico can be really good. This was the type of contract it was talked about all last year that he was going out and looking for was he wanted to go be a running back one somewhere. I don't know if this is purely him being a one, but like it's a one a one. B at worst with him and Jadal Moore together, at least how I see it. I mean they they went out and paid him. So he's he they wanted something out of him. Um it wasn't uh it wasn't nothing for for the what's his contract? That's a great question. Give me two seconds to look at.

SPEAKER_00 44:16

Because I didn't I didn't think he got paid a whole lot.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

Filibuster. Uh Rico Dowdle signed a two-year $12.25 million contract.

SPEAKER_00 44:29

With five million guaranteed. With an and a five million dollar signing bonus. So basically 17. He got a signing bonus, and then that's it. Well, I no, that all though, all of that counts in that 12. Yep. I guess he got the signing bonus, and that was all of his guaranteed money.

SPEAKER_01 44:47

Like I said, I I think it makes sense for him. I think it makes sense for the team. I I think it clarifies things. And I like I I think at the end of next year, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Rico outperforms Ramondre overall, and you got you swapped them and got a third to get that. Uh another trade that was very interesting at the time, it in hindsight doesn't look nearly as good, I think, with the Jalen Waldo news is Troy Franklin was sent away for a second round rookie pick. With this one, another one of yours. Did you get the second?

SPEAKER_00 45:15

Yes, sir. Yep, I got the second.

SPEAKER_01 45:16

And it was uh who did you give away to who'd you give Frank, who'd you fleece uh Troy Franklin to?

SPEAKER_00 45:23

Uh to be fair, and he did have a really good year last year. Um he was contextualize this. Just tell me who you fleeced. Is it legal? It was it was it was Josh. No, it was Josh. I offered this trade to like three or four guys with the second rounder, um, like kind of different different ones, just to kind of see.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

Um, and I don't have a second rounder, but I would not have given it to you for this trade.

SPEAKER_00 45:48

No, I know you wouldn't have. Not everyone would have, but um, he he took it pretty quick. And it was the 205, too, which is actually that was the best second rounder of the trades that I offered. So I was pretty happy about it.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

Speaking, well, I I'm gonna save mine. Speaking of fast trades that were accepted quickly, we'll get to that one in a second. One more from the Dynasty League, and then we'll swap over to the other one. So your last your last trade, your bigger one that you've been hemming and hawing with me over text about for a while, is you send lad and a back. Was it a mid to late first? I think it was a late.

SPEAKER_00 46:22

110. The 110.

SPEAKER_01 46:23

Okay, yep. So you lad and the 110 for a second, and what did you end up getting back? 105?

SPEAKER_00 46:29

103. 103.

SPEAKER_01 46:31

Okay. So you got a lot better in the first, but you gave up lad, and then you picked up.

SPEAKER_00 46:34

And for the for context, too, I also have the 104 and the 112.

SPEAKER_01 46:39

Yeah, yep. So I know you had been trying to shop Lad for like seems like about nine months now. I don't know. We've been talking like we've been talking about LAD moves for a while, whether on the podcast or off the side.

SPEAKER_00 46:53

This trade, yeah, it was it was mostly off to the side, but this trade, man, I'm just gonna say, like, this was like I felt like I was in a draft day movie in a lot of ways. Like it was just constant negotiation. Um, I was going back and forth. Like, I I wanted to be like, because I'm still in you know, semi-rebuild mode. I wanted to be um, I have the 104, which is you know, I wanted in the top four picks, because it's basically going to be Jeremiah Love at the one, and then it's gonna be those next three wide receivers um with the two, three, four in some order. And I knew that I wanted one of those three wide receivers, and then I was like trying to figure out is there a way that I could get because I I had it on semi-good authority from Dalen, at least at the time, that if I could get a another top four pick that because he wasn't because like this was a couple months ago, but he wasn't sold on the one on love and and necessarily having love. Um he is now after the combine, um, which I don't know to me, it was an amazing combine, but like it was just to me, it was just chalk. Like, that's exactly what I expected. Yeah, so like that didn't change. Yeah, exactly. That didn't change anything for me. But so I kind of knew so he's he's I I think he's overpricing it a little bit, but I get it.

SPEAKER_01 48:22

So here's I I offered for the first overall too, just to see where it was priced. I was like, I bet he's gonna reject this right away, but I'll I I didn't throw it out via trade. I sent him a a chat that was like, hey, what would you think of this for 101? And my offer was my first this year and Igbuka together for 101. Um, and he was like what's your what's your first?

SPEAKER_00 48:47

The one eleven.

SPEAKER_01 48:48

Uh yeah, I think that's right. I think I'm 111. Um, so it's not a great first round pick, but it's not terrible. I think it'll look better when it's on the clock. Um, that's the way I keep thinking about it at this point, at least, is like when I'm there and some doofus takes Fernando Mendoza at 104 overall, Matt. Um 111. 111's gonna look a little bit better. Like some. I guarantee you that's not happening. I promise you, this happens every year in this league. Is somebody does something ridiculous, and then all of a sudden I'm sitting there at the back of the first and somebody falls to me, and it's like a field. I get so many trade offers for that late first. So that's I'm kind of just at the point where I'm like, I'll wait, I'll just sit still for now. Like, if I have to take somebody, I gotta take somebody. If I don't, I don't. But um, yeah, I thought that I thought that was not like a crazy, crazy deal, like Buka in a first uh in 111 for 101, but it's it's also like I if I was in issues, I probably would have rejected it as well.

SPEAKER_00 49:46

When did when did you offer it? Uh was it was it before the Mike Evans news or was it after?

SPEAKER_01 49:54

Um I'm trying to remember. Uh let's see. I offered it to him about two weeks ago. Um was like right before 14, 16 days ago. Um, I offered it to him. And he was like, Yeah. Um he said uh he said if Eggbuca didn't have his slump, he would consider it more. So I thought that was a fun one. Um speaking of, so we actually breaking, breaking, breaking news here. There's not been a trade completed, but there's been a trade offered, and I want to talk about it here and respond to it. It's to me. Levi sent me an offer in Dynasty right now. I'll talk with you about it openly. Um so Levi has offered me for this player a couple of times now. Um, I think he he very much wants to acquire Josh Downs, and so he's been trying to throw Josh Downs into trades with me for kind of a while now. Like I there were a couple of them that they weren't terrible. He was offering me.

SPEAKER_00 51:02

Hold on. I think this is hilarious because Levi just sent me a thing that said he was interested in Alec Pierce. Yeah. So he's trying to get him some Colts.

SPEAKER_01 51:14

He wants some Colts. So here's his offer to me. Yeah, what's his offer? He wants Josh Downs, and in return, he'll give me Cortland Sutton. I don't like, it's not one that I'm like jumping on the trade button to go get. I I can say that pretty confidently right now. Um It's not that I don't think much of Cortland Sutton. I think actually Sutton is gonna be really interesting this year outside with Jalen Waddle on the other side. But he's 30, and I don't know what who becomes the one. Like, I think Jalen Waddle is probably better than Cortland Sutton, frankly. So yeah, I think he becomes the two, and I just I don't love it.

SPEAKER_00 51:53

I don't like you're basically you're basically talking about the two in Denver versus the I mean I guess Downs would probably be the three in Indianapolis if you throw in Tyler Warren there. You think Pierce is the one? Yes. Yes, yeah, I definitely think Pierce is the one. Um I think it, I think it I think that it's gonna be uh Pierce and Warren and uh Taylor kind of running that offense. I don't think Pierce is gonna be like a head and shoulders, but they have said that they are planning to give him eight to ten targets a game. Yeah, that's that's wide receiver one target level.

SPEAKER_01 52:34

Yep. I don't love it. I think he's got a lot of guys on the trade block that I'm not sure he would actually deal. Um he's got Kyron on the trade block. That's kind of an interesting one, although I don't feel like I need another running back. I would really love to say, do you think it would be crazy to offer him um downs and downs and 111 for CD? CD's on the trade block. Yes. You think that's crazy?

SPEAKER_00 53:09

I mean, well, I think it's I mean, I think he's not gonna do it. No, there's no way.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

So here's the here's my thing about his team right now. Correct, I don't I don't understand why CD's on the trade block at all.

SPEAKER_00 53:21

Well, it's just to get, I mean, it's the same thing. You're just trying to get people interested and figure stuff out. I mean, like the the rule that I have, and this is a rule that most people don't live by, they get too attached to these guys to me, and you probably have the same rule that I do, but like everybody is tradable in my mind. Now, obviously, like different guys, like I've got neighbors, it's gonna cost an arm, it's gonna cost a ton to get neighbors, but like if you give me the right offer, I'll probably trade it. But I'm not I don't know, I'm not I don't know. I I think Sutton is probably about equivalent to your 111.

SPEAKER_01 54:05

Yeah, I don't see uh I don't mind giving up downs, but I I think to me it's one that I probably reject and I might counter with like again, this may be shooting the moon here, but like CMC for 111 downs and something else, like a I don't know, a 2027 third or something like that. Like CMC's 29. I I think he could be ready to move on from it, but alright. I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna hit the uh decline. Um actually I'm gonna counter. Uh we'll see. We'll see what he says. I'm curious if he will respond at all in the midst of uh in the midst of this. You so you think 111 and downs would not be enough to get CMC either, I'm guessing, right?

SPEAKER_00 54:56

No. No, I think you'd you would still need to add in like I mean you could maybe throw in like a Derrick Henry to that. I mean, Derek Henry. Um we'll see what he says. I'm a entertainment trying to see what you have.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

I I sent I sent my offer. I sent my offer. Now, I know we're running long. I do want to talk about one other trade. That other trade is by far my favorite trade of all the trades and all the trade villages and all the trade lands, and that is the trade that was made, the only trade that was made in the city. Oh, and in our keeper league. Now, Matt, Keeper League, help help people who have not who are not in this league and don't know what the heck we're talking about. Help them understand like why are there trades in this league and what is going on here.

SPEAKER_00 55:48

Uh yeah, so in case you're a new listener, Keeper League is similar to Dynasty, but you don't keep your entire roster. Um, our league, we only keep three players. You get to pick it on your roster, but the way it works is we you know you have we have our draft every year. You keep a guy um at his the first time you keep him, you have to keep him, and he becomes your draft pick in the same round that you picked him. So if you draft a guy in round eight, and then you decide you want to keep him the next year, you keep him in round eight. He he is your eighth round draft pick that year. And then moving forward, years after like every year you keep him after that, he moves up a round until he would get all the way to the first round. And then we also have the concept called franchise players, which is essentially it's a it's a 16-round draft, and the franchise players are the round 16 pick. So they they're essentially a free keeper, is is kind of the way to look at it. So usually that's like your best player or the person that has the least value that you want to keep, um, kind of thing, because it would cost you like your first round pick or whatever. So the you want to trade, you know, so essentially it's 12 team, there's about 30 guys that are kept every year. Um, so essentially the first three rounds of a normal redraft league are gone. So your goal is to try to find actual value. So, like you and I kind of run that league for the most part because we have found insane value for guys like I have JSN, he's a six-round keeper for me. You've got um Amon Rain Ra, who are eight round round keepers. Yeah, and and then both of us have another top-tier uh wide receiver that are that is our franchise keeper. So, like we that's that's what just helps us out. So we get so much value from those. So you want to find high value and low rounds, yes. But the more that you can get more draft picks, the better.

SPEAKER_01 57:53

That's right. So I had a conundrum coming into the offseason of I have Amon Ra and Puka, who are definitely gonna be kept at their round values. Puka is gonna be an eighth rounder, Amon Ra is gonna be a ninth. Like that's easy money uh for me. There's no reason to send those guys away. Uh but the challenge I had was that in the season last year, I so I I have Justin Jefferson, who was my franchise keeper. And last year I acquired from Good Friend of the Show, was that Logan or the other one? It wasn't Levi. No, it was Lucas.

SPEAKER_02 58:28

It was Lucas.

SPEAKER_01 58:28

Lucas. Good friend of the show, Lucas, who I do remember his name. Uh, but Lucas dealt me CeeDee Lamb and his second round keeper pick next year for Brock Purdy, Isaiah Pacheco, and Quentin Johnston midseason during CeeDee's uh IR stin.

SPEAKER_00 58:47

So and it was but it was to be fair, it was when Quentin Johnston was like the number four wide receiver in the league. But check out week four.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

Brock Purdy had just gotten hurt, I think, at that point. So it was a little bit of a weird trade. I think we gave it some grief for sure. But that being said, so coming into the offseason, I had a problem.

SPEAKER_00 59:04

I think we created I I sent you a uh what's our drop? I told you this has to be our drop for this trade, and this has now become our drop for anything. And this this is going for this trade as well. I'm just throwing this out there. I mean this.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

I'm an idiot!

unknown 59:23

You're an idiot!

SPEAKER_01 59:25

Yeah, I'm an idiot, you're an idiot. Trade of the offseason. So I had two franchise keepers, can't keep both. They're both one of them has to get thrown back. So I can either eat it, throw one of them back, and they're probably the 101, honestly. One of the two of them, I would guess, depending on who else gets kept. But they're gonna be a top first-round pick, Jefferson or CD. Or I can do what I tried to do, which is to turn that franchise player around and send them to a team that personally I feel like doesn't really have great keepers to begin with. And so that's what I did. And good friend of the show, Todd, was the one that saw the value in this trade. I mean, I he jumped on it. No, he did not. He jumped on it so fast.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:12

I know he jumped on it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:16

I sent that trade to a couple of different teams. Like the trade offer was CD for a second round keeper pick. He's a franchise player. Get him for a second round, or you're probably not gonna have him this next year. So I sent that offer out to a number of teams, and I've been doing this throughout the offseason, but I figured actually, it wasn't C. I'm sorry, it wasn't CD. I sent Jefferson after the Murray signing, Jefferson for a keeper second. Todd accepted it so fast. Now, the kicker is that Todd is in both of our leagues. I own Justin Jefferson in both of our leagues, and when Todd got the alert on his phone, smartwatch, Google Glasses, I don't know what he gets alerts on, but he got it. And he must have screamed at Alexa so loud to accept the trade, accept the trade, please. For the love of everything, accept the trade.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:11

I don't think it is integrated with Alexa, but okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:15

Well, Todd's is. Uh, that's how he sets all his nicknames. So Todd accepts the trade so fast, and I was very excited because I thought in general, Justin Jefferson for a second is not unfair value. It's just for the right team, it's probably better value than for anybody. Well, Todd's response within a couple of minutes was, oh my bad. I thought this was the Dynasty League. I thought Levi gets on and reacts with, Robert, your account's been hacked. Because apparently everybody, no one looked at the league title that I sent this in. They all just assumed that I was sending Justin Jefferson away for a rookie second round pick, which, by the way, is just dumb and not something I would ever do. And so when they saw it, they thought, oh, Jefferson for a second, you must have been hacked. Well, it wasn't a hack at all. It was a trade in the other league. And so now I own not one or two, but now three second-round picks next year. Todd, however, is the lucky recipient of Justin Jefferson, who now has his shiny new quarterback and is going to be great for him. I'm really excited for Todd for this year. He's he's gonna be on the up and up for sure. So that is what do you mean it's ridiculous?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:31

You're such a mean person. You tricking tricking the elderly like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:36

Don't don't, yeah. Don't start like you weren't fully enjoying the back and forth in the league chat about this entire time. I loved it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:43

It was awesome. I might I think I texted you. I said, uh, we now have great fodder for our podcast. Oh, it's we started back up because this is amazing. Yes, it was uh it's yeah, it's not a terrible trade. I hate that you benefited from it. Um, but I just think it just sends it over the top that Todd is just like, oh crap, this is the wrong league. And he had he really thought it was the dynasty. I don't know. I I knew it was the keeper. I was just like, oh, okay. But yeah, but hey, you had multiple seconds last time, so I guess maybe you need a third to actually win a championship. We'll see.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:21

Yeah, just keep giving them all to me. Why not? Please, Matt. Why don't you give me yours? Uh you think you can just take my team on with without, you know. Uh what picks do you have this year?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:34

I don't have anything extra.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:36

That's right. You don't. You don't have anything extra. I've been trying.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:41

The problem that I have with our keeper league is I can't get people to respond. At least guys are like semi-responding. There's like a core group of you know, six or seven of us in the dynasty league that will actually respond, or I know them and I can like text them or chat them at work or whatever about it. But they're like the keeper league, there's only like three of us, maybe four of us, that will actually respond to trades in that keeper league. I've got some, I had so many that I've sent that people won't respond to messages or won't even respond to the trade at all. So it just like times out. But I I think I have like seven or eight trades right now that are just sitting there open, unended, like no timeline on it, just because I I don't have a choice.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:26

Like I just mine open anymore. Um, but yeah, so now I currently own 109, 204, 207, 210, uh, and then all the rest of my picks. I haven't given up any picks this coming year, so dynasty. Dynasty. I'll for a second place finish again. Dynasty. Three out of four. You can call it a dynasty.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:58

Yeah, you can't call it a dynasty if you didn't win last year.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:04

You know what? I won two years before that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:08

It's the last man.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:09

The Patriots dynasty did not win every single consecutive Super Bowl either, Matt, but they were dynasty. The Chiefs didn't win every single consecutive Super Bowl, Matt, but they were dynasty. I hey, I think I'm I I need to get a scissors out and start cutting some sleeves off to off the hoodies for my fantasy league team at this point.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:29

That's fine. You will be checking VC, you and VCU will be the next dynasties. Yeah, yeah, you just had to get that one in. I had to, you kept going. I had to say something.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:41

I know, I know. All right. Uh I think we're gonna come up on time. So, what I'm proposing for us is we were gonna talk about our new league that's been started up, Matt's Burger King Everything Bagel League of a League. Um, but we have so much to talk about with that new league, and it's already 10 o'clock, and I don't think we have Enough time unless you want to go for an hour and a half.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:02

So my suggestion. Let's save it for next time. We'll talk about the new league and we'll also start talking about some rookie stuff next time because we didn't even really get to touch at all on any of the rookies in this upcoming class and kind of our thoughts on them and what we would like to see. Um and we still even need to do a uh a mock draft as well. Really want to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:23

We need to get somebody else to come on and visit with us while we do that. Let's get Todd. Todd in his anger, he's just stewing over there in the corner about this. Okay, let's get him on to talk. I todd's a good sport about things. I appreciate it's people being a good sport and not just like rage quitting or like yeah, just being like, ah, this is stupid. Never mind. So, anyway, all right, Matt, you're yawning. I'm I'm done ski too. Uh, for Matt, I'm Robert. We're signing off saying we will see you guys again in 2026.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:00

Peace out.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:01

This is your low against all brand new.